From zcorpan at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 13:25:34 2007
From: zcorpan at gmail.com (Simon Pieters)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:25:34 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Example: Flash fonts resize when browser text-size is
	resize
Message-ID: <op.tokcwwlo7a8kvn@hp-a0a83fcd39d2>

I thought this might be of interest:  
http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7557

-- 
Simon Pieters


From mark at novemberborn.net  Fri Mar  2 13:33:31 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:33:31 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Example: Flash fonts resize when browser text-size
	is resize
In-Reply-To: <op.tokcwwlo7a8kvn@hp-a0a83fcd39d2>
References: <op.tokcwwlo7a8kvn@hp-a0a83fcd39d2>
Message-ID: <2714291F-6E3A-4303-B714-8E49469C93DE@novemberborn.net>

It's okay, but not really fit for sIFR. It works by specifying a 100%  
width on the Flash movie. When the font size changes, so does the  
Flash movie's width. Some ActionScript detects this and changes it's  
font size.

The problem is that this is not how normal text react to a font size  
change. Text resizes and reflows, dimensions change. To do it  
properly you need to mimic the browser's reaction. (sIFR does not use  
100% width either, at least, not always.)

Thanks for the link, though!

--
Mark

On Mar 2, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Simon Pieters wrote:

> I thought this might be of interest:
> http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7557
>
> -- 
> Simon Pieters
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev



From mark at novemberborn.net  Tue Mar  6 19:29:38 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:29:38 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
Message-ID: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>

sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation :)

Now, what to do with it...

--
Mark


From arsart at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 22:48:50 2007
From: arsart at gmail.com (Ars Art)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 01:48:50 +0300
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
In-Reply-To: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
References: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>

Build a site:)
I can help with design if needed. Let sIFR rocks!

Arseny

On 06/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation :)
>
> Now, what to do with it...
>
> --
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>


-- 
http://designcollector.ru
Creativity Database


From mark at novemberborn.net  Wed Mar  7 07:55:02 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:55:02 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
In-Reply-To: <f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
	<f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D7658BB-42AC-4C7E-BCA7-2141214C03D1@novemberborn.net>

On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Ars Art wrote:
> Build a site:)
> I can help with design if needed. Let sIFR rocks!
>
> Arseny

Fredrik Br?nstr?m offered to help with design as well, so let's work  
something out.

Thanks,

>
> On 06/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>> sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation :)
>>
>> Now, what to do with it...
>>
>> --
>> Mark
>> _______________________________________________
>> sifr3-dev mailing list
>> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
>> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>>
>
>
> -- 
> http://designcollector.ru
> Creativity Database
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev



From branstrom at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 08:00:10 2007
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Fredrik_Br=C3=A4nstr=C3=B6m?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:00:10 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
In-Reply-To: <7D7658BB-42AC-4C7E-BCA7-2141214C03D1@novemberborn.net>
References: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
	<f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D7658BB-42AC-4C7E-BCA7-2141214C03D1@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22410ce30703070000t5ea7a572x933932ad62b22c07@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, forgot "reply to all". Yes I would certainly want to help with both
design and whatever other stuff I might be appropriately used for. It sounds
like fun.

On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Ars Art wrote:
> > Build a site:)
> > I can help with design if needed. Let sIFR rocks!
> >
> > Arseny
>
> Fredrik Br?nstr?m offered to help with design as well, so let's work
> something out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> >
> > On 06/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> >> sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation :)
> >>
> >> Now, what to do with it...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> sifr3-dev mailing list
> >> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> >> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://designcollector.ru
> > Creativity Database
> > _______________________________________________
> > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>



-- 
Fredrik Br?nstr?m
http://fredrik.branstrom.name
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From marcos.peebles at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 10:23:54 2007
From: marcos.peebles at gmail.com (Marcos Peebles)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:23:54 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30703070000t5ea7a572x933932ad62b22c07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
	<f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D7658BB-42AC-4C7E-BCA7-2141214C03D1@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30703070000t5ea7a572x933932ad62b22c07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ccbb2c340703070223r52e9c3cakd44703438c0aead2@mail.gmail.com>

I can give a hand too.
Design and maintenance (+lang if needed? es, en, fr, nl)
Cheers

On 07/03/07, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, forgot "reply to all". Yes I would certainly want to help with both
> design and whatever other stuff I might be appropriately used for. It sounds
> like fun.
>
> On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Ars Art wrote:
> > > Build a site:)
> > > I can help with design if needed. Let sIFR rocks!
> > >
> > > Arseny
> >
> > Fredrik Br?nstr?m offered to help with design as well, so let's work
> > something out.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > >
> > > On 06/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > >> sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation :)
> > >>
> > >> Now, what to do with it...
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Mark
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> sifr3-dev mailing list
> > >> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > >> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://designcollector.ru
> > > Creativity Database
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> http://fredrik.branstrom.name
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>
>
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From branstrom at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 10:50:38 2007
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Fredrik_Br=C3=A4nstr=C3=B6m?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:50:38 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
In-Reply-To: <ccbb2c340703070223r52e9c3cakd44703438c0aead2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
	<f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D7658BB-42AC-4C7E-BCA7-2141214C03D1@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30703070000t5ea7a572x933932ad62b22c07@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccbb2c340703070223r52e9c3cakd44703438c0aead2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22410ce30703070250i353e4b3bq3844e3a3b0af7542@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, yeah, I can translate to Swedish too...

On 3/7/07, Marcos Peebles <marcos.peebles at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can give a hand too.
> Design and maintenance (+lang if needed? es, en, fr, nl)
> Cheers
>
> On 07/03/07, Fredrik Br?nstr?m < branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, forgot "reply to all". Yes I would certainly want to help with both
> > design and whatever other stuff I might be appropriately used for. It sounds
> > like fun.
> >
> > On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Ars Art wrote:
> > > > Build a site:)
> > > > I can help with design if needed. Let sIFR rocks!
> > > >
> > > > Arseny
> > >
> > > Fredrik Br?nstr?m offered to help with design as well, so let's work
> > > something out.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On 06/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > > >> sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation :)
> > > >>
> > > >> Now, what to do with it...
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Mark
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > >> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > >> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://designcollector.ru
> > > > Creativity Database
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > http://fredrik.branstrom.name
> > _______________________________________________
> > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> >
> >
>


-- 
Fredrik Br?nstr?m
http://fredrik.branstrom.name
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From arsart at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 11:11:50 2007
From: arsart at gmail.com (Ars Art)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:11:50 +0300
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30703070250i353e4b3bq3844e3a3b0af7542@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
	<f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D7658BB-42AC-4C7E-BCA7-2141214C03D1@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30703070000t5ea7a572x933932ad62b22c07@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccbb2c340703070223r52e9c3cakd44703438c0aead2@mail.gmail.com>
	<22410ce30703070250i353e4b3bq3844e3a3b0af7542@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f034bd720703070311u77315342q3bd4c807cb538238@mail.gmail.com>

Russian from me:)

On 07/03/07, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, yeah, I can translate to Swedish too...
>
>
> On 3/7/07, Marcos Peebles <marcos.peebles at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can give a hand too.
> > Design and maintenance (+lang if needed? es, en, fr, nl)
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > On 07/03/07, Fredrik Br?nstr?m < branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Oh, forgot "reply to all". Yes I would certainly want to help with both
> design and whatever other stuff I might be appropriately used for. It sounds
> like fun.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Ars Art wrote:
> > > > > Build a site:)
> > > > > I can help with design if needed. Let sIFR rocks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Arseny
> > > >
> > > > Fredrik Br?nstr?m offered to help with design as well, so let's work
> > > > something out.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > > > >> sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Now, what to do with it...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Mark
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > >> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > >>
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://designcollector.ru
> > > > > Creativity Database
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > >
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > >
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > > http://fredrik.branstrom.name
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > >
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> http://fredrik.branstrom.name


-- 
http://designcollector.ru
Creativity Database


From mark at novemberborn.net  Wed Mar  7 11:49:10 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:49:10 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
In-Reply-To: <ccbb2c340703070223r52e9c3cakd44703438c0aead2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
	<f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D7658BB-42AC-4C7E-BCA7-2141214C03D1@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30703070000t5ea7a572x933932ad62b22c07@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccbb2c340703070223r52e9c3cakd44703438c0aead2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6CF800EA-2F5A-40B9-95E0-EC09285E25D6@novemberborn.net>

I've got Dutch covered as well. That is, not as fluent as English  
these days but I still use it for groceries ;-)

On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Marcos Peebles wrote:

> I can give a hand too.
> Design and maintenance (+lang if needed? es, en, fr, nl)
> Cheers
>
> On 07/03/07, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, forgot "reply to all". Yes I would certainly want to help with  
>> both
>> design and whatever other stuff I might be appropriately used for.  
>> It sounds
>> like fun.
>>
>> On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Ars Art wrote:
>> > > Build a site:)
>> > > I can help with design if needed. Let sIFR rocks!
>> > >
>> > > Arseny
>> >
>> > Fredrik Br?nstr?m offered to help with design as well, so let's  
>> work
>> > something out.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > >
>> > > On 06/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>> > >> sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation :)
>> > >>
>> > >> Now, what to do with it...
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Mark
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> sifr3-dev mailing list
>> > >> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
>> > >> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > http://designcollector.ru
>> > > Creativity Database
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > sifr3-dev mailing list
>> > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
>> > > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > sifr3-dev mailing list
>> > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
>> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Fredrik Br?nstr?m
>> http://fredrik.branstrom.name
>> _______________________________________________
>> sifr3-dev mailing list
>> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
>> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>>
>>



From i at creagenics.com  Wed Mar  7 11:32:12 2007
From: i at creagenics.com (Alex Olshansky)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:32:12 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
In-Reply-To: <f034bd720703070311u77315342q3bd4c807cb538238@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
	<f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D7658BB-42AC-4C7E-BCA7-2141214C03D1@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30703070000t5ea7a572x933932ad62b22c07@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccbb2c340703070223r52e9c3cakd44703438c0aead2@mail.gmail.com>
	<22410ce30703070250i353e4b3bq3844e3a3b0af7542@mail.gmail.com>
	<f034bd720703070311u77315342q3bd4c807cb538238@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cba10b9e0703070332m43050b30tcd0956ded833637d@mail.gmail.com>

And Ukrainian :)

On 3/7/07, Ars Art <arsart at gmail.com> wrote:
> Russian from me:)
>
> On 07/03/07, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh, yeah, I can translate to Swedish too...
> >
> >
> > On 3/7/07, Marcos Peebles <marcos.peebles at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I can give a hand too.
> > > Design and maintenance (+lang if needed? es, en, fr, nl)
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 07/03/07, Fredrik Br?nstr?m < branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Oh, forgot "reply to all". Yes I would certainly want to help with both
> > design and whatever other stuff I might be appropriately used for. It sounds
> > like fun.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Ars Art wrote:
> > > > > > Build a site:)
> > > > > > I can help with design if needed. Let sIFR rocks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arseny
> > > > >
> > > > > Fredrik Br?nstr?m offered to help with design as well, so let's work
> > > > > something out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 06/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation :)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Now, what to do with it...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> Mark
> > > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > >> sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > > >> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > > >>
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > http://designcollector.ru
> > > > > > Creativity Database
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > > >
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > >
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > > > http://fredrik.branstrom.name
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > >
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > http://fredrik.branstrom.name
>
>
> --
> http://designcollector.ru
> Creativity Database
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>


From jraregris at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 12:03:08 2007
From: jraregris at gmail.com (jraregris)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:03:08 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Look what I got!
In-Reply-To: <cba10b9e0703070332m43050b30tcd0956ded833637d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2380F29A-5CBC-42E9-9413-4D9E2CFE6937@novemberborn.net>
	<f034bd720703061448p2dc909fft10edba71d8660845@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D7658BB-42AC-4C7E-BCA7-2141214C03D1@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30703070000t5ea7a572x933932ad62b22c07@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccbb2c340703070223r52e9c3cakd44703438c0aead2@mail.gmail.com>
	<22410ce30703070250i353e4b3bq3844e3a3b0af7542@mail.gmail.com>
	<f034bd720703070311u77315342q3bd4c807cb538238@mail.gmail.com>
	<cba10b9e0703070332m43050b30tcd0956ded833637d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2cad6120703070403h2436f3a4t555b52580c55a6c1@mail.gmail.com>

I'll do Norwegian.

On 3/7/07, Alex Olshansky <i at creagenics.com> wrote:
>
> And Ukrainian :)
>
> On 3/7/07, Ars Art <arsart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Russian from me:)
> >
> > On 07/03/07, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Oh, yeah, I can translate to Swedish too...
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/7/07, Marcos Peebles <marcos.peebles at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I can give a hand too.
> > > > Design and maintenance (+lang if needed? es, en, fr, nl)
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 07/03/07, Fredrik Br?nstr?m < branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Oh, forgot "reply to all". Yes I would certainly want to help with
> both
> > > design and whatever other stuff I might be appropriately used for. It
> sounds
> > > like fun.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Ars Art wrote:
> > > > > > > Build a site:)
> > > > > > > I can help with design if needed. Let sIFR rocks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arseny
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fredrik Br?nstr?m offered to help with design as well, so let's
> work
> > > > > > something out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 06/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >> sIFRProject.org! Paid for out of PayPal, so from a donation
> :)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Now, what to do with it...
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Mark
> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > > >> sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > > > >> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > > > >>
> > > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > http://designcollector.ru
> > > > > > > Creativity Database
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > > > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > > > >
> > > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > > >
> > > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > > > > http://fredrik.branstrom.name
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > > > > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > > > >
> > > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > > http://fredrik.branstrom.name
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://designcollector.ru
> > Creativity Database
> > _______________________________________________
> > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> >
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
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From mark at novemberborn.net  Wed Mar  7 16:38:43 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:38:43 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Translators
Message-ID: <B574EC93-6AD9-4563-99D6-546FF5C1F900@novemberborn.net>

Here's a list from the replies to the other thread:

Norwegian:  jraregris	
Ukrainian:  Alex Olshansky
Russian:    Arseny Art
Swedish:    Fredrik Br?nstr?m
Spanish:    Marcos Peebles
French:     Marcos Peebles
Dutch:      Marcos Peebles

I've removed the e-mail addresses since this list is archived  
publicly. We'll have to figure out a way of doing translations,  
especially considering the level of documentation right now I don't  
believe it's worth it already. It'd also be cool to have two  
translators for each language. Speaking from my own experience my use  
of Dutch is quite different from my peers. I have rather bad  
experiences with some of translations to Dutch in Firefox as well  
(though presumably they had more than one guy doing the work. oh well).

If we get all this done it'll be a good idea to move the wiki over as  
well, but that's of later concern.

Thanks all who volunteered,

--
Mark

From mark at novemberborn.net  Wed Mar  7 16:58:30 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:58:30 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Announcement list, pseudo betas
Message-ID: <81B160C4-5F19-4421-83FF-2BA7726DA0D1@novemberborn.net>

I just set up an announcement list [1] which is just for  
announcements about sIFR releases. Which brings me to a problem: you  
may have noticed I've paid extra attention to some revisions, without  
releasing them as a new beta. Those revisions are cooler and better  
than the beta though, and I'd like everyone to start using them. How  
should I approach this? More beta releases, or superseeding a beta by  
a nightly?

--
Mark

[1]: http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-announce


From i at creagenics.com  Wed Mar  7 17:49:01 2007
From: i at creagenics.com (Alex Olshansky)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:49:01 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Translators
In-Reply-To: <B574EC93-6AD9-4563-99D6-546FF5C1F900@novemberborn.net>
References: <B574EC93-6AD9-4563-99D6-546FF5C1F900@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <cba10b9e0703070949s10ec814bqbe267abae0d6572@mail.gmail.com>

Well, if you need, I can translate into Russian too.

On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> Here's a list from the replies to the other thread:
>
> Norwegian:  jraregris
> Ukrainian:  Alex Olshansky
> Russian:    Arseny Art
> Swedish:    Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> Spanish:    Marcos Peebles
> French:     Marcos Peebles
> Dutch:      Marcos Peebles
>
> I've removed the e-mail addresses since this list is archived
> publicly. We'll have to figure out a way of doing translations,
> especially considering the level of documentation right now I don't
> believe it's worth it already. It'd also be cool to have two
> translators for each language. Speaking from my own experience my use
> of Dutch is quite different from my peers. I have rather bad
> experiences with some of translations to Dutch in Firefox as well
> (though presumably they had more than one guy doing the work. oh well).
>
> If we get all this done it'll be a good idea to move the wiki over as
> well, but that's of later concern.
>
> Thanks all who volunteered,
>
> --
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>


From branstrom at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 18:53:17 2007
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Fredrik_Br=C3=A4nstr=C3=B6m?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:53:17 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Announcement list, pseudo betas
In-Reply-To: <81B160C4-5F19-4421-83FF-2BA7726DA0D1@novemberborn.net>
References: <81B160C4-5F19-4421-83FF-2BA7726DA0D1@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22410ce30703071053g24a65aa2s7d6b6a35e7738f4f@mail.gmail.com>

Call them minibetas? :p

On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> I just set up an announcement list [1] which is just for
> announcements about sIFR releases. Which brings me to a problem: you
> may have noticed I've paid extra attention to some revisions, without
> releasing them as a new beta. Those revisions are cooler and better
> than the beta though, and I'd like everyone to start using them. How
> should I approach this? More beta releases, or superseeding a beta by
> a nightly?
>
> --
> Mark
>
> [1]: http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-announce
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>



-- 
Fredrik Br?nstr?m
http://fredrik.branstrom.name
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From arsart at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 20:47:57 2007
From: arsart at gmail.com (Ars Art)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 23:47:57 +0300
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Translators
In-Reply-To: <cba10b9e0703070949s10ec814bqbe267abae0d6572@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B574EC93-6AD9-4563-99D6-546FF5C1F900@novemberborn.net>
	<cba10b9e0703070949s10ec814bqbe267abae0d6572@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f034bd720703071247p6fb547cma3074a6ab0f99b22@mail.gmail.com>

Well okay, I'll concentrate on design than. Mark, let please Alex
Olshansky be russian translator too.

Arseny

On 07/03/07, Alex Olshansky <i at creagenics.com> wrote:
> Well, if you need, I can translate into Russian too.
>
> On 3/7/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> > Here's a list from the replies to the other thread:
> >
> > Norwegian:  jraregris
> > Ukrainian:  Alex Olshansky
> > Russian:    Arseny Art
> > Swedish:    Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > Spanish:    Marcos Peebles
> > French:     Marcos Peebles
> > Dutch:      Marcos Peebles
> >
> > I've removed the e-mail addresses since this list is archived
> > publicly. We'll have to figure out a way of doing translations,
> > especially considering the level of documentation right now I don't
> > believe it's worth it already. It'd also be cool to have two
> > translators for each language. Speaking from my own experience my use
> > of Dutch is quite different from my peers. I have rather bad
> > experiences with some of translations to Dutch in Firefox as well
> > (though presumably they had more than one guy doing the work. oh well).
> >
> > If we get all this done it'll be a good idea to move the wiki over as
> > well, but that's of later concern.
> >
> > Thanks all who volunteered,
> >
> > --
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> >
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>


-- 
http://designcollector.ru
Creativity Database


From danilo at shimmerphase.com  Thu Mar  8 02:26:32 2007
From: danilo at shimmerphase.com (danilocelic)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:26:32 -0600
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Announcement list, pseudo betas
In-Reply-To: <81B160C4-5F19-4421-83FF-2BA7726DA0D1@novemberborn.net>
References: <81B160C4-5F19-4421-83FF-2BA7726DA0D1@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <45EF7458.7060809@shimmerphase.com>

Mark Wubben wrote:
> I just set up an announcement list [1] which is just for  
> announcements about sIFR releases. Which brings me to a problem: you  
> may have noticed I've paid extra attention to some revisions, without  
> releasing them as a new beta. Those revisions are cooler and better  
> than the beta though, and I'd like everyone to start using them. How  
> should I approach this? More beta releases, or superseeding a beta by  
> a nightly?

I'd be fine when something has been done that you think is interesting to post it to this list regardless if it makes a "beta" status. I'd suggest also how to test the new feature/functionality so that others can see how well it works.

Danilo Celic



From antoinelefeuvre at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  8 09:23:13 2007
From: antoinelefeuvre at hotmail.com (LEFEUVRE Antoine)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:23:13 +0000
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Translators
In-Reply-To: <B574EC93-6AD9-4563-99D6-546FF5C1F900@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F23CB4B85CC8C084E941DAEA7790@phx.gbl>

Bonjour ? tous,

I'll be happy to give a hand to translate the site as well.
Please add me to the translators list for French and Spanish. I'm afraid 
I've forgotten much of my German so I won't be much help with this language.

Cheers,
--
Antoine Lefeuvre

From: Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net>
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Here's a list from the replies to the other thread:

Norwegian:  jraregris
Ukrainian:  Alex Olshansky
Russian:    Arseny Art
Swedish:    Fredrik Br?nstr?m
Spanish:    Marcos Peebles
French:     Marcos Peebles
Dutch:      Marcos Peebles

I've removed the e-mail addresses since this list is archived
publicly. We'll have to figure out a way of doing translations,
especially considering the level of documentation right now I don't
believe it's worth it already. It'd also be cool to have two
translators for each language. Speaking from my own experience my use
of Dutch is quite different from my peers. I have rather bad
experiences with some of translations to Dutch in Firefox as well
(though presumably they had more than one guy doing the work. oh well).

If we get all this done it'll be a good idea to move the wiki over as
well, but that's of later concern.

Thanks all who volunteered,

--
Mark
_______________________________________________
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http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev

_________________________________________________________________
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From antoinelefeuvre at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  8 09:42:03 2007
From: antoinelefeuvre at hotmail.com (LEFEUVRE Antoine)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:42:03 +0000
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Selectors
Message-ID: <BAY115-F16E6FB49F02A6A95A40026A7790@phx.gbl>

Hello,

I've been experciencing problems lately with selectors.
When using sIFR in a menu, I need CSS classes such as 'a.on' to show the 
active page. However, calling 'a.on' in sIFR.replace doesn't seem to have 
any effect. The only fix I found is to call only the class name (i.e. 
'.on'). Although it has been sufficient for my project, I was wondering 
whether there was an error with the selectors (sIFR 3 beta 1).

Thanks for your help,
--
Antoine Lefeuvre

_________________________________________________________________
MSN Amor: busca tu ? naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/



From mark at novemberborn.net  Thu Mar  8 12:07:09 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:07:09 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Selectors
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F16E6FB49F02A6A95A40026A7790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-F16E6FB49F02A6A95A40026A7790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CB6C0F4-B93D-4063-9C08-BFE3FE54E654@novemberborn.net>

On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:42 AM, LEFEUVRE Antoine wrote:
> When using sIFR in a menu, I need CSS classes such as 'a.on' to  
> show the
> active page. However, calling 'a.on' in sIFR.replace doesn't seem  
> to have
> any effect. The only fix I found is to call only the class name (i.e.
> '.on').

That sounds like a bug. Could you put up an example page?

By the way, replacing links themselves doesn't work that great. You  
should replace the parent element of the link.

--
Mark


From marcos.peebles at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 13:02:53 2007
From: marcos.peebles at gmail.com (Marcos Peebles)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:02:53 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Translators
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F23CB4B85CC8C084E941DAEA7790@phx.gbl>
References: <B574EC93-6AD9-4563-99D6-546FF5C1F900@novemberborn.net>
	<BAY115-F23CB4B85CC8C084E941DAEA7790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ccbb2c340703080502j44068d6fod6352cbed36c0dd0@mail.gmail.com>

hey Marc (and all),

1) how do you plan to do the follow-up? I've been using google docs for some
projects and it can be usefull for translations. (simply publish the text
and put NL_EN_RU_etc... in front of page name when translated. All this
followed (monitored?) by a simple sheet to mark when done. If interested I
can show you what I've done.
2) as for design, I can also give a hand, how would you like us to proceed?
Cheers

>
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
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From mark at novemberborn.net  Sat Mar 10 22:50:48 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:50:48 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Translators
In-Reply-To: <ccbb2c340703080502j44068d6fod6352cbed36c0dd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B574EC93-6AD9-4563-99D6-546FF5C1F900@novemberborn.net>
	<BAY115-F23CB4B85CC8C084E941DAEA7790@phx.gbl>
	<ccbb2c340703080502j44068d6fod6352cbed36c0dd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A8122897-DA56-437B-97B7-15B4A1C06393@novemberborn.net>

On Mar 8, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Marcos Peebles wrote:
> 1) how do you plan to do the follow-up? I've been using google docs  
> for some
> projects and it can be usefull for translations. (simply publish  
> the text
> and put NL_EN_RU_etc... in front of page name when translated.

I have to say I'm not that experienced with translations, but my  
general idea is to have a wiki.sifrproject.org domain, and then for  
each language a specific wiki. Then the English wiki would be the  
"main branch", and the other languages are updated with it from time  
to time, but are still separately developing wikis in their own  
right. What do you think?

> 2) as for design, I can also give a hand, how would you like us to  
> proceed?

Arseny and Fredrik are working on this, I suggest I go through some  
iterations with them and then post it to the list. Having too many  
people for the same tasks isn't going to work.

Thanks all who volunteered,

--
Mark


From marcos.peebles at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 10:05:41 2007
From: marcos.peebles at gmail.com (Marcos Peebles)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:05:41 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Translators
In-Reply-To: <A8122897-DA56-437B-97B7-15B4A1C06393@novemberborn.net>
References: <B574EC93-6AD9-4563-99D6-546FF5C1F900@novemberborn.net>
	<BAY115-F23CB4B85CC8C084E941DAEA7790@phx.gbl>
	<ccbb2c340703080502j44068d6fod6352cbed36c0dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8122897-DA56-437B-97B7-15B4A1C06393@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <ccbb2c340703120305o1911724fxdfee45782bc96acc@mail.gmail.com>

All good with the wiki if it's the tool u use and are ok with , fine with me
:-)
As for design, you're right, too many hands = no good.
Cheers

On 10/03/07, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Marcos Peebles wrote:
> > 1) how do you plan to do the follow-up? I've been using google docs
> > for some
> > projects and it can be usefull for translations. (simply publish
> > the text
> > and put NL_EN_RU_etc... in front of page name when translated.
>
> I have to say I'm not that experienced with translations, but my
> general idea is to have a wiki.sifrproject.org domain, and then for
> each language a specific wiki. Then the English wiki would be the
> "main branch", and the other languages are updated with it from time
> to time, but are still separately developing wikis in their own
> right. What do you think?
>
> > 2) as for design, I can also give a hand, how would you like us to
> > proceed?
>
> Arseny and Fredrik are working on this, I suggest I go through some
> iterations with them and then post it to the list. Having too many
> people for the same tasks isn't going to work.
>
> Thanks all who volunteered,
>
> --
> Mark
>
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From mark at novemberborn.net  Thu Mar 15 21:35:43 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:35:43 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Lack of updates / input
Message-ID: <5C8907EA-A723-4D20-8264-083E1A2C2C5B@novemberborn.net>

Folks, apologies for the lack of input this week. I'm a bit too busy  
to think about sIFR these days :) Hopefully I can make up for it a  
bit during the weekend.

--
Mark


From Mike.Randall at wwecorp.com  Mon Mar 26 17:43:49 2007
From: Mike.Randall at wwecorp.com (Randall, Mike)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:43:49 -0400
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Mac FF problem
Message-ID: <1ADCF412988112458E44FD2C1B521BD9037C68E8@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>

Hello,

 

I'm having a problem with sifr text on Mac FF.  I am using 2.0.2.

 

I'm using sifr text in an <a> tag (links don't work well, I know) that's
on a higher z-index than a background div with opacity set to .80.
Because I can't get the cursor to change to a hand on mouseover, I've
placed a transparent div over my anchor tag and added ':hover'
selectors, along with an onclick.  This works in FF but not in IE.  Is
there a way to get the cursor to change to a hand when you hover sifr
text?  Or is this a problem with flash?

 

Further, the sifr text will not show up in Mac Firefox.  In firebug, if
I move my anchor out from under my transparent div (or perhaps from
above my translucent background) it will appear.  But from the very
first pixel that it moves under or above those divs, it disappears.  Is
this a known bug?

 

Mike

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From mark at novemberborn.net  Mon Mar 26 18:08:59 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:08:59 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Mac FF problem
In-Reply-To: <1ADCF412988112458E44FD2C1B521BD9037C68E8@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>
References: <1ADCF412988112458E44FD2C1B521BD9037C68E8@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>
Message-ID: <FC9A82BC-01D0-4613-A747-435A18A4E798@novemberborn.net>

On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Randall, Mike wrote:
> I?m having a problem with sifr text on Mac FF.  I am using 2.0.2.
>
> I?m using sifr text in an <a> tag (links don?t work well, I know)  
> that?s on a higher z-index than a background div with opacity set  
> to .80.  Because I can?t get the cursor to change to a hand on  
> mouseover, I?ve placed a transparent div over my anchor tag and  
> added ?:hover? selectors, along with an onclick.  This works in FF  
> but not in IE.  Is there a way to get the cursor to change to a  
> hand when you hover sifr text?  Or is this a problem with flash?
The way I understand it, you are replacing the text inside the link?  
So the selector is something like "h1 a"? You have to replace the  
link itself, so that'd be "h1". You can wrap the link inside a <span>  
element and replace that instead.

>  Further, the sifr text will not show up in Mac Firefox.  In  
> firebug, if I move my anchor out from under my transparent div (or  
> perhaps from above my translucent background) it will appear.  But  
> from the very first pixel that it moves under or above those divs,  
> it disappears.  Is this a known bug?

That sounds like a bug. If you're using wmode opaque or transparent  
try removing it.

--
Mark

From Mike.Randall at wwecorp.com  Mon Mar 26 18:53:14 2007
From: Mike.Randall at wwecorp.com (Randall, Mike)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:53:14 -0400
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Mac FF problem
In-Reply-To: <FC9A82BC-01D0-4613-A747-435A18A4E798@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <1ADCF412988112458E44FD2C1B521BD9037C68E9@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>

Hey Mark,

I moved the text to within a span and wrapped it with an anchor tag like
you described.  That worked great.

However, removing the 'wMode: transparent' didn't fix my Mac FF issue.
Is this being addressed in sifr 3?  Is a fix available there?

Thanks for your help!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wubben [mailto:mark at novemberborn.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Randall, Mike
Cc: sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
Subject: Re: [sIFR3-dev] Mac FF problem

On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Randall, Mike wrote:
> I'm having a problem with sifr text on Mac FF.  I am using 2.0.2.
>
> I'm using sifr text in an <a> tag (links don't work well, I know)  
> that's on a higher z-index than a background div with opacity set  
> to .80.  Because I can't get the cursor to change to a hand on  
> mouseover, I've placed a transparent div over my anchor tag and  
> added ':hover' selectors, along with an onclick.  This works in FF  
> but not in IE.  Is there a way to get the cursor to change to a  
> hand when you hover sifr text?  Or is this a problem with flash?
The way I understand it, you are replacing the text inside the link?  
So the selector is something like "h1 a"? You have to replace the  
link itself, so that'd be "h1". You can wrap the link inside a <span>  
element and replace that instead.

>  Further, the sifr text will not show up in Mac Firefox.  In  
> firebug, if I move my anchor out from under my transparent div (or  
> perhaps from above my translucent background) it will appear.  But  
> from the very first pixel that it moves under or above those divs,  
> it disappears.  Is this a known bug?

That sounds like a bug. If you're using wmode opaque or transparent  
try removing it.

--
Mark


From mark at novemberborn.net  Mon Mar 26 18:58:47 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:58:47 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Mac FF problem
In-Reply-To: <1ADCF412988112458E44FD2C1B521BD9037C68E9@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>
References: <1ADCF412988112458E44FD2C1B521BD9037C68E9@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>
Message-ID: <2949ED86-CC11-41E1-8911-FBDE216C6E87@novemberborn.net>

On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Randall, Mike wrote:
> I moved the text to within a span and wrapped it with an anchor tag  
> like
> you described.  That worked great.

Cool

> However, removing the 'wMode: transparent' didn't fix my Mac FF issue.
> Is this being addressed in sifr 3?  Is a fix available there?

It's a Firefox bug. It appears it'll be fixed in Firefox 3 (nice  
coincidence!). More at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi? 
id=316905>.

--
Mark


From steve at fifthroomcreative.com  Mon Mar 26 19:02:59 2007
From: steve at fifthroomcreative.com (Steve Guberman)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:02:59 -0400
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Mac FF problem
In-Reply-To: <2949ED86-CC11-41E1-8911-FBDE216C6E87@novemberborn.net>
References: <1ADCF412988112458E44FD2C1B521BD9037C68E9@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>
	<2949ED86-CC11-41E1-8911-FBDE216C6E87@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <7D87B476-FD9F-4AAF-A828-D9790DFDD229@fifthroomcreative.com>

WTF - I've unsubscribed to this damn list a half dozen times now -  
can someone PLEASE take me off?
Thanks.
Best regards,
Steve



On Mon Mar 26, 2007, at 2:58pm, Mark Wubben wrote:

> On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Randall, Mike wrote:
>> I moved the text to within a span and wrapped it with an anchor tag
>> like
>> you described.  That worked great.
>
> Cool
>
>> However, removing the 'wMode: transparent' didn't fix my Mac FF  
>> issue.
>> Is this being addressed in sifr 3?  Is a fix available there?
>
> It's a Firefox bug. It appears it'll be fixed in Firefox 3 (nice
> coincidence!). More at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?
> id=316905>.
>
> --
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev

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From amclin at kaadesigngroup.com  Wed Mar 28 00:36:29 2007
From: amclin at kaadesigngroup.com (Anthony McLin)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:36:29 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Line-height sizing and IE7
Message-ID: <4609B88D.8030303@kaadesigngroup.com>

Possible bug in r231:

I'm replacing some h3 tags, their font-size is 1.2em (base font size is 
10px).

To force the sIFR replaced fonts to be the same size, I'm using:

.sIFR-active h3 {
    visibility:   hidden;
    line-height: 1em;
    width: 70%;    /* Necessary for header adjacency issues */
}

I'm finding that this works just fine on Firefox and Safari, but in IE7 
I'm getting text much larger than it should be. I tried turning off the 
sIFR replacement, and made the text visible, and the size of everything 
(including line height) is correct.

-- 
Anthony McLin
Senior Web Developer
amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
F  310.821.1440

KAA Design Group, Inc.
4201 Redwood Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90066

ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
http://www.kaadesigngroup.com



From mark at novemberborn.net  Wed Mar 28 06:28:43 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:28:43 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Line-height sizing and IE7
In-Reply-To: <4609B88D.8030303@kaadesigngroup.com>
References: <4609B88D.8030303@kaadesigngroup.com>
Message-ID: <3F496E3D-8899-414B-8AB7-C4A3B4B28A06@novemberborn.net>

Cheers, I'll look into it!

On Mar 28, 2007, at 2:36 AM, Anthony McLin wrote:

> Possible bug in r231:
>
> I'm replacing some h3 tags, their font-size is 1.2em (base font  
> size is
> 10px).
>
> To force the sIFR replaced fonts to be the same size, I'm using:
>
> .sIFR-active h3 {
>     visibility:   hidden;
>     line-height: 1em;
>     width: 70%;    /* Necessary for header adjacency issues */
> }
>
> I'm finding that this works just fine on Firefox and Safari, but in  
> IE7
> I'm getting text much larger than it should be. I tried turning off  
> the
> sIFR replacement, and made the text visible, and the size of  
> everything
> (including line height) is correct.
>
> -- 
> Anthony McLin
> Senior Web Developer
> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
> F  310.821.1440
>
> KAA Design Group, Inc.
> 4201 Redwood Avenue
> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>
> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev



From amclin at kaadesigngroup.com  Wed Mar 28 18:13:19 2007
From: amclin at kaadesigngroup.com (Anthony McLin)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:13:19 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] attaching onload events, IE7 and other scripts
Message-ID: <460AB03F.6060402@kaadesigngroup.com>

Sometimes I feeling like I'm spamming the list with all my 'trivial' 
problems... and so I apologize if anyone else feels the same way, but 
here's another one I just ran into:

I am using the following javscript to trigger mouseover behaviors for my 
son-of-suckerfish menu system:

    sfHover = function() {
        var sfEls = 
document.getElementById("nav").getElementsByTagName("LI");
        for (var i=0; i<sfEls.length; i++) {
            sfEls[i].onmouseover=function() {
                this.className+=" sfhover";
            }
            sfEls[i].onmouseout=function() {
                this.className=this.className.replace(new RegExp(" 
sfhover\\b"), "");
            }
        }
    }
    if (window.attachEvent) window.attachEvent("onload", sfHover);


The catch is that when this is enabled, sIFR gets the wonderful "click 
to activate" Eolas patch in IE7 (and probably IE6 as well, but I haven't 
tested). I believe this is because of the script attaching the onload 
event, but without that, my menus stick.

Any thoughts on how to resolve this?

-- 
Anthony McLin
Senior Web Developer
amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
F  310.821.1440

KAA Design Group, Inc.
4201 Redwood Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90066

ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
http://www.kaadesigngroup.com



From mark at novemberborn.net  Wed Mar 28 19:10:09 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:10:09 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] attaching onload events, IE7 and other scripts
In-Reply-To: <460AB03F.6060402@kaadesigngroup.com>
References: <460AB03F.6060402@kaadesigngroup.com>
Message-ID: <28F2EBB2-8A6C-44A4-A001-F4D1ADA3DEA4@novemberborn.net>

On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
> Sometimes I feeling like I'm spamming the list with all my 'trivial'
> problems... and so I apologize if anyone else feels the same way,

On the contrary, I doubt I'd find all these issues on my own, having  
you do that work means sIFR can become even better. So, thanks!

> I am using the following javscript to trigger mouseover behaviors  
> for my
> son-of-suckerfish menu system:
>
>     if (window.attachEvent) window.attachEvent("onload", sfHover);
>
> The catch is that when this is enabled, sIFR gets the wonderful "click
> to activate" Eolas patch in IE7 (and probably IE6 as well, but I  
> haven't
> tested). I believe this is because of the script attaching the onload
> event, but without that, my menus stick.

That, my friend, is crazy. Could you set up a small test case for  
this? With something as (seemingly) simple as this I'd love to do it  
myself, but I should really get some university work done tonight.

Cheers,

>
> Any thoughts on how to resolve this?
>
> -- 
> Anthony McLin
> Senior Web Developer
> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
> F  310.821.1440
>
> KAA Design Group, Inc.
> 4201 Redwood Avenue
> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>
> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev



From amclin at kaadesigngroup.com  Wed Mar 28 19:50:32 2007
From: amclin at kaadesigngroup.com (Anthony McLin)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:50:32 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] attaching onload events, IE7 and other scripts
In-Reply-To: <28F2EBB2-8A6C-44A4-A001-F4D1ADA3DEA4@novemberborn.net>
References: <460AB03F.6060402@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<28F2EBB2-8A6C-44A4-A001-F4D1ADA3DEA4@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <460AC708.1080507@kaadesigngroup.com>

I've put togethor an example:
    http://www.kaadesigngroup.com/temp/sifr_onload_test/

A really bizarre thing is that in at least this test example, the 
problematic behavior doesn't exhibit itself on the first load of the 
page, but a refresh, or subsequent visits will exhibit the issue until 
the browser is reloaded. Session/cache problems perhaps?

-Anthony


Mark Wubben wrote:
> On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
>> Sometimes I feeling like I'm spamming the list with all my 'trivial'
>> problems... and so I apologize if anyone else feels the same way,
>
> On the contrary, I doubt I'd find all these issues on my own, having 
> you do that work means sIFR can become even better. So, thanks!
>
>> I am using the following javscript to trigger mouseover behaviors for my
>> son-of-suckerfish menu system:
>>
>>     if (window.attachEvent) window.attachEvent("onload", sfHover);
>>
>> The catch is that when this is enabled, sIFR gets the wonderful "click
>> to activate" Eolas patch in IE7 (and probably IE6 as well, but I haven't
>> tested). I believe this is because of the script attaching the onload
>> event, but without that, my menus stick.
>
> That, my friend, is crazy. Could you set up a small test case for 
> this? With something as (seemingly) simple as this I'd love to do it 
> myself, but I should really get some university work done tonight.
>
> Cheers,
>
>>
>> Any thoughts on how to resolve this?
>>
>> --Anthony McLin
>> Senior Web Developer
>> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
>> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
>> F  310.821.1440
>>
>> KAA Design Group, Inc.
>> 4201 Redwood Avenue
>> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>>
>> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
>> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sifr3-dev mailing list
>> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
>> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>
>


-- 
Anthony McLin
Senior Web Developer
amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
F  310.821.1440

KAA Design Group, Inc.
4201 Redwood Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90066

ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
http://www.kaadesigngroup.com



From mark at novemberborn.net  Wed Mar 28 20:17:09 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:17:09 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] attaching onload events, IE7 and other scripts
In-Reply-To: <460AC708.1080507@kaadesigngroup.com>
References: <460AB03F.6060402@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<28F2EBB2-8A6C-44A4-A001-F4D1ADA3DEA4@novemberborn.net>
	<460AC708.1080507@kaadesigngroup.com>
Message-ID: <A7F60DDE-C76C-4667-9239-5025E509FA00@novemberborn.net>

I'm not seeing it on my test install. I tested in IE 6 and IE 7, both  
on XP SP2 inside Parallels. Did you do a complete (re)installation of  
your machine after IE 7 came out, or did it have IE 6 before, then  
the Eolas patch, and then IE 7? It might be a problem with the IE  
upgrade path. At least, that's all I can think of as I'm not seeing  
the issue here.

And who knows, perhaps a reboot will solve things :)

--
Mark

On Mar 28, 2007, at 9:50 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:

> I've put togethor an example:
>    http://www.kaadesigngroup.com/temp/sifr_onload_test/
>
> A really bizarre thing is that in at least this test example, the  
> problematic behavior doesn't exhibit itself on the first load of  
> the page, but a refresh, or subsequent visits will exhibit the  
> issue until the browser is reloaded. Session/cache problems perhaps?
>
> -Anthony
>
>
> Mark Wubben wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
>>> Sometimes I feeling like I'm spamming the list with all my 'trivial'
>>> problems... and so I apologize if anyone else feels the same way,
>>
>> On the contrary, I doubt I'd find all these issues on my own,  
>> having you do that work means sIFR can become even better. So,  
>> thanks!
>>
>>> I am using the following javscript to trigger mouseover behaviors  
>>> for my
>>> son-of-suckerfish menu system:
>>>
>>>     if (window.attachEvent) window.attachEvent("onload", sfHover);
>>>
>>> The catch is that when this is enabled, sIFR gets the wonderful  
>>> "click
>>> to activate" Eolas patch in IE7 (and probably IE6 as well, but I  
>>> haven't
>>> tested). I believe this is because of the script attaching the  
>>> onload
>>> event, but without that, my menus stick.
>>
>> That, my friend, is crazy. Could you set up a small test case for  
>> this? With something as (seemingly) simple as this I'd love to do  
>> it myself, but I should really get some university work done tonight.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on how to resolve this?
>>>
>>> --Anthony McLin
>>> Senior Web Developer
>>> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
>>> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
>>> F  310.821.1440
>>>
>>> KAA Design Group, Inc.
>>> 4201 Redwood Avenue
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>>>
>>> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
>>> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sifr3-dev mailing list
>>> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
>>> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Anthony McLin
> Senior Web Developer
> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
> F  310.821.1440
>
> KAA Design Group, Inc.
> 4201 Redwood Avenue
> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>
> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>



From amclin at kaadesigngroup.com  Wed Mar 28 22:42:02 2007
From: amclin at kaadesigngroup.com (Anthony McLin)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:42:02 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] attaching onload events, IE7 and other scripts
In-Reply-To: <A7F60DDE-C76C-4667-9239-5025E509FA00@novemberborn.net>
References: <460AB03F.6060402@kaadesigngroup.com>
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Well, a reboot cleared it up (gotta love MS)... and I think I setup this 
machine with IE7 slipstreamed...

Now on to my other bugs.... Can't believe how much time I wasted with 
that one

Mark Wubben wrote:
> I'm not seeing it on my test install. I tested in IE 6 and IE 7, both 
> on XP SP2 inside Parallels. Did you do a complete (re)installation of 
> your machine after IE 7 came out, or did it have IE 6 before, then the 
> Eolas patch, and then IE 7? It might be a problem with the IE upgrade 
> path. At least, that's all I can think of as I'm not seeing the issue 
> here.
>
> And who knows, perhaps a reboot will solve things :)
>
> -- 
> Mark
>
> On Mar 28, 2007, at 9:50 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
>
>> I've put togethor an example:
>>    http://www.kaadesigngroup.com/temp/sifr_onload_test/
>>
>> A really bizarre thing is that in at least this test example, the 
>> problematic behavior doesn't exhibit itself on the first load of the 
>> page, but a refresh, or subsequent visits will exhibit the issue 
>> until the browser is reloaded. Session/cache problems perhaps?
>>
>> -Anthony
>>
>>
>> Mark Wubben wrote:
>>> On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
>>>> Sometimes I feeling like I'm spamming the list with all my 'trivial'
>>>> problems... and so I apologize if anyone else feels the same way,
>>>
>>> On the contrary, I doubt I'd find all these issues on my own, having 
>>> you do that work means sIFR can become even better. So, thanks!
>>>
>>>> I am using the following javscript to trigger mouseover behaviors 
>>>> for my
>>>> son-of-suckerfish menu system:
>>>>
>>>>     if (window.attachEvent) window.attachEvent("onload", sfHover);
>>>>
>>>> The catch is that when this is enabled, sIFR gets the wonderful "click
>>>> to activate" Eolas patch in IE7 (and probably IE6 as well, but I 
>>>> haven't
>>>> tested). I believe this is because of the script attaching the onload
>>>> event, but without that, my menus stick.
>>>
>>> That, my friend, is crazy. Could you set up a small test case for 
>>> this? With something as (seemingly) simple as this I'd love to do it 
>>> myself, but I should really get some university work done tonight.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on how to resolve this?
>>>>
>>>> --Anthony McLin
>>>> Senior Web Developer
>>>> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
>>>> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
>>>> F  310.821.1440
>>>>
>>>> KAA Design Group, Inc.
>>>> 4201 Redwood Avenue
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>>>>
>>>> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
>>>> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --Anthony McLin
>> Senior Web Developer
>> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
>> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
>> F  310.821.1440
>>
>> KAA Design Group, Inc.
>> 4201 Redwood Avenue
>> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>>
>> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
>> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>>
>
>


-- 
Anthony McLin
Senior Web Developer
amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
F  310.821.1440

KAA Design Group, Inc.
4201 Redwood Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90066

ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
http://www.kaadesigngroup.com



From mark at novemberborn.net  Thu Mar 29 06:02:55 2007
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:02:55 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] attaching onload events, IE7 and other scripts
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On Mar 29, 2007, at 12:42 AM, Anthony McLin wrote:
> Well, a reboot cleared it up (gotta love MS)... and I think I setup  
> this machine with IE7 slipstreamed...

Ugh. That's just horrible.

> Now on to my other bugs.... Can't believe how much time I wasted  
> with that one

Good luck!

--
Mark