From zoe at pixelsurge.com  Tue Oct  3 01:03:42 2006
From: zoe at pixelsurge.com (Zoe M. Gillenwater)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:03:42 -0400
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Remove compatMode?
In-Reply-To: <B02D2DDD-CC67-4367-B49B-C3145A905084@novemberborn.net>
References: <B02D2DDD-CC67-4367-B49B-C3145A905084@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <4521B6EE.9030809@pixelsurge.com>

Mark Wubben wrote:
> With Flash 7 out of the picture, is it worthwhile to include  
> backwards compatibility code for Safari 1.0 - 1.2, Netscape 6 and  
> Opera < 7.5? These browsers can't find the current style properties  
> associated with borders and padding, which is needed for proper  
> calculation of the element width and height.
>   

Those browsers don't make a blip on my web stats. My visitors seem to be 
better at keeping their browsers up to date than their Flash (still have 
a good number of Flash 6 users). I say remove it, but include 
documentation about adding it back, if possible.

Zoe



From branstrom at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 08:22:15 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:22:15 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] sifr, innerHTML, and of course, IE.....
In-Reply-To: <A061B8FC-772D-49A0-A96C-15C60BDE9EFA@novemberborn.net>
References: <45117B6A.3080903@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<3B6F70D6-46BE-4D72-BC0F-3F6C5C47AAB2@novemberborn.net>
	<4517FA06.3060604@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<842F7BF8-89EC-43B7-A4F0-BCD90AA89AD0@novemberborn.net>
	<451814BE.7020301@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<9691105C-0623-4773-A8B8-7C05CE839100@novemberborn.net>
	<45181928.2010208@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<4082AA2F-9FF0-4A2E-A48E-942C258F8873@novemberborn.net>
	<45183F8B.1050503@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<A061B8FC-772D-49A0-A96C-15C60BDE9EFA@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22410ce30610050122v608d569bldcbe03a715cc3d34@mail.gmail.com>

I'm getting this too, when testing with the normal r153 nightly. All the
time. I'm not sure why... IE passes all those tests that you put up without
breaking a sweat. Hmm.

On 9/25/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Sep 25, 2006, at 10:43 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
> > I tested with r148, fails. r147 with the alert statements fails
> > after "attaching events".
>
> Good. I've added some more alerts (same file location), could you
> again see when it fails?
>
>
> >
> > -Anthony
> >
> >
> > Mark Wubben wrote:
> >> On Sep 25, 2006, at 8:00 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
> >>> This site still reliably fails on the test rig when I re-enable
> >>> the preload. It's using r142
> >>
> >> What if you try r148? Or r147 with the alert statements from
> >> <http://tests.novemberborn.net/browsers/iexplore/operation-aborted/
> >> sifr/sifr.js>?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Wubben
> >> http://novemberborn.net/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anthony McLin
> > Senior Web Developer
> > amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
> > T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
> > F  310.821.1440
> >
> > KAA Design Group, Inc.
> > 4201 Redwood Avenue
> > Los Angeles, CA 90066
> >
> > ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
> > http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
> >
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>



-- 
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From mark at novemberborn.net  Thu Oct 12 13:14:30 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:14:30 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] sifr, innerHTML, and of course, IE.....
In-Reply-To: <45194DEF.1020001@kaadesigngroup.com>
References: <45117B6A.3080903@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<4511829B.6090404@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<E2488172-D4E1-47E0-B628-709896E324D6@novemberborn.net>
	<4511848C.3040403@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<09A3AD88-EA5E-4590-ADA3-4849EB87279D@novemberborn.net>
	<45118E0B.20506@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<F089A28A-FC6B-42FB-BA8E-DDBFC159434B@novemberborn.net>
	<45119C88.2000602@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<A1050B0E-8BE9-45CD-8512-0106E44FC543@novemberborn.net>
	<3B6F70D6-46BE-4D72-BC0F-3F6C5C47AAB2@novemberborn.net>
	<4517FA06.3060604@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<842F7BF8-89EC-43B7-A4F0-BCD90AA89AD0@novemberborn.net>
	<451814BE.7020301@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<9691105C-0623-4773-A8B8-7C05CE839100@novemberborn.net>
	<45181928.2010208@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<4082AA2F-9FF0-4A2E-A48E-942C258F8873@novemberborn.net>
	<45183F8B.1050503@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<A061B8FC-772D-49A0-A96C-15C60BDE9EFA@novemberborn.net>
	<45184B97.3090205@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<2E55AE99-A3F6-406D-9C17-4F871CAD7B0E@novemberborn.net>
	<45194DEF.1020001@kaadesigngroup.com>
Message-ID: <4728C460-682B-48C4-8D59-4F909F8973C5@novemberborn.net>

Hi Anthony,

After some input from Frederik I got an idea for another workaround.  
Could you try with <http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/svn/test/ 
distribution/demo/> (this one crashed before, right?) and let me know  
if it works? Otherwise, please download r160 and deploy on the site  
which caused the problems.

Thanks!

On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:

> Sorry for the vague wording, by "dies" I meant IE throws the  
> dreaded "cannot open site" error
>
>
> Mark Wubben wrote:
>> On Sep 25, 2006, at 11:35 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
>>
>>> It dies after "attaching events: onload"
>>>
>>> After the IE error, it throws one more alert "onreadystate:  
>>> complete" and then the full "cannot display page" is generated.
>>
>> How do you mean it dies, after which an alert is thrown? What does  
>> dying look like?
>>>
>>> With this version, subsequent reloads of the page do not generate  
>>> the error, although no content is displayed at the end of the  
>>> process. I can force the error to reappear by clearing the cache.
>>
>> The pre-fetch won't happen again until you either close the  
>> browser or clear cookies. It would seem it is definitely related  
>> to pre-fetching. If you set `sIFR.waitForPrefetch = false;` before  
>> pre-fetching it will always pre-fetch.
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Wubben
>> http://novemberborn.net/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Anthony McLin
> Senior Web Developer
> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
> F  310.821.1440
>
> KAA Design Group, Inc.
> 4201 Redwood Avenue
> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>
> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>
> <image002-1.jpg>

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/




From mark at novemberborn.net  Thu Oct 12 17:31:09 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:31:09 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] sifr, innerHTML, and of course, IE.....
In-Reply-To: <452E6880.8000603@kaadesigngroup.com>
References: <45117B6A.3080903@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<4511848C.3040403@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<09A3AD88-EA5E-4590-ADA3-4849EB87279D@novemberborn.net>
	<45118E0B.20506@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<F089A28A-FC6B-42FB-BA8E-DDBFC159434B@novemberborn.net>
	<45119C88.2000602@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<A1050B0E-8BE9-45CD-8512-0106E44FC543@novemberborn.net>
	<3B6F70D6-46BE-4D72-BC0F-3F6C5C47AAB2@novemberborn.net>
	<4517FA06.3060604@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<842F7BF8-89EC-43B7-A4F0-BCD90AA89AD0@novemberborn.net>
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	<45181928.2010208@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<4082AA2F-9FF0-4A2E-A48E-942C258F8873@novemberborn.net>
	<45183F8B.1050503@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<A061B8FC-772D-49A0-A96C-15C60BDE9EFA@novemberborn.net>
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	<2E55AE99-A3F6-406D-9C17-4F871CAD7B0E@novemberborn.net>
	<45194DEF.1020001@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<4728C460-682B-48C4-8D59-4F909F8973C5@novemberborn.net>
	<452E6880.8000603@kaadesigngroup.com>
Message-ID: <A1D7A6D7-E7EC-451E-BAF2-8FCAE13B5605@novemberborn.net>

On Oct 12, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:

> That link does work, I don't remember if it crashed before or not.
> I tried deploying r160, and the site did work! But something is  
> different about the generated width of the sIFR replacements.  
> Widths seem a bit narrower, making text wrap more than it did before.

Could you compare with <http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/alpha/demo/ 
 >? Could you provide a screenshot for the wrapping? I haven't  
noticed any differences..

>
> Mark Wubben wrote:
>> Hi Anthony,
>>
>> After some input from Frederik I got an idea for another  
>> workaround. Could you try with <http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/ 
>> svn/test/distribution/demo/> (this one crashed before, right?) and  
>> let me know if it works? Otherwise, please download r160 and  
>> deploy on the site which caused the problems.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for the vague wording, by "dies" I meant IE throws the  
>>> dreaded "cannot open site" error
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Wubben wrote:
>>>> On Sep 25, 2006, at 11:35 PM, Anthony McLin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It dies after "attaching events: onload"
>>>>>
>>>>> After the IE error, it throws one more alert "onreadystate:  
>>>>> complete" and then the full "cannot display page" is generated.
>>>>
>>>> How do you mean it dies, after which an alert is thrown? What  
>>>> does dying look like?
>>>>>
>>>>> With this version, subsequent reloads of the page do not  
>>>>> generate the error, although no content is displayed at the end  
>>>>> of the process. I can force the error to reappear by clearing  
>>>>> the cache.
>>>>
>>>> The pre-fetch won't happen again until you either close the  
>>>> browser or clear cookies. It would seem it is definitely related  
>>>> to pre-fetching. If you set `sIFR.waitForPrefetch = false;`  
>>>> before pre-fetching it will always pre-fetch.
>>>>
>>>> --Mark Wubben
>>>> http://novemberborn.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --Anthony McLin
>>> Senior Web Developer
>>> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
>>> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
>>> F  310.821.1440
>>>
>>> KAA Design Group, Inc.
>>> 4201 Redwood Avenue
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>>>
>>> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
>>> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>>>
>>> <image002-1.jpg>
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Wubben
>> http://novemberborn.net/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Anthony McLin
> Senior Web Developer
> amclin at kaadesigngroup.com
> T  310.821.1400 ext. 266
> F  310.821.1440
>
> KAA Design Group, Inc.
> 4201 Redwood Avenue
> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>
> ARCHITECTURE | LANDSCAPE | GRAPHICS | INTERIORS
> http://www.kaadesigngroup.com
>

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/




From mark at novemberborn.net  Thu Oct 19 11:54:17 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:54:17 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Testing
Message-ID: <033057AA-159B-4234-8DBF-9AA6A3C60041@novemberborn.net>

Hey folks,

I'm terribly busy these days, but the current nightlies are pretty  
close to a second alpha release. If you have some time on your hands,  
could you give the demo some good pounding to see it's working  
properly? I'm especially interested in Konqueror and IE 7. The demo  
can be found at <http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/svn/test/ 
distribution/demo/>.

Thanks!

P.S. I'll be away until Sunday, so until then.

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/




From dcasey at syncbox.com  Sun Oct 29 23:46:14 2006
From: dcasey at syncbox.com (Donna Casey)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:46:14 -0800
Subject: [sIFR3-dev]  Testing
Message-ID: <45453D46.7040400@syncbox.com>

http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/svn/test/

does not work in IE6 for me. Doesn't match what I see in Firefox 1.5.0.7 
anyway. All I see in IE6 is black text on a gray box whereas in FF, I 
see red text in a gray box with orange borders on a green background.

DCasey


From mark at novemberborn.net  Mon Oct 30 09:03:37 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:03:37 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Testing
In-Reply-To: <45453D46.7040400@syncbox.com>
References: <45453D46.7040400@syncbox.com>
Message-ID: <6E75E13B-64A7-4FDA-88B2-DF1106E4BDE0@novemberborn.net>

Hi Donna,

I have no problem in IE 6, are you sure you have Flash 8 installed in  
IE?

Kind regards,

On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Donna Casey wrote:

> http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/svn/test/
>
> does not work in IE6 for me. Doesn't match what I see in Firefox  
> 1.5.0.7
> anyway. All I see in IE6 is black text on a gray box whereas in FF, I
> see red text in a gray box with orange borders on a green background.
>
> DCasey
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/




From mark at novemberborn.net  Mon Oct 30 10:42:05 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:42:05 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Testing
In-Reply-To: <45453D46.7040400@syncbox.com>
References: <45453D46.7040400@syncbox.com>
Message-ID: <886A2AE2-46FF-491D-A4EA-D0A4C705E8B1@novemberborn.net>

Actually, did you try the demo.html test? I haven't quite updated  
that one, I always use <http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/svn/test/ 
distribution/demo/> myself.

On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Donna Casey wrote:

> http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/svn/test/
>
> does not work in IE6 for me. Doesn't match what I see in Firefox  
> 1.5.0.7
> anyway. All I see in IE6 is black text on a gray box whereas in FF, I
> see red text in a gray box with orange borders on a green background.
>
> DCasey
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/




From J.de.Wit at rw-l.nl  Mon Oct 30 09:54:22 2006
From: J.de.Wit at rw-l.nl (Jarno de Wit)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:54:22 +0100
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Testing
In-Reply-To: <6E75E13B-64A7-4FDA-88B2-DF1106E4BDE0@novemberborn.net>
References: <45453D46.7040400@syncbox.com>
	<6E75E13B-64A7-4FDA-88B2-DF1106E4BDE0@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <4545CBCE.10509@rw-l.nl>

Mark Wubben wrote:
>> http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/svn/test/
>>
>> does not work in IE6 for me. Doesn't match what I see in Firefox  
>> 1.5.0.7
>> anyway. All I see in IE6 is black text on a gray box whereas in FF, I
>> see red text in a gray box with orange borders on a green background.
>>
>> DCasey
>>     
> Hi Donna,
>
> I have no problem in IE 6, are you sure you have Flash 8 installed in  
> IE?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Donna Casey wrote:

I'm running IE6 here as well and I do see the text. Text size is sligtly 
different. In IE6, it's smaller. Also, in IE6 I don't see the orange 
bottom border visible in Firefox 2.0.


Jarno

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