From mark at novemberborn.net  Sun Jul  2 01:45:07 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:45:07 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] non-breaking spaces in sIFR replaced text
In-Reply-To: <5D53CBD3-9D24-4BF1-9903-60E49E38A650@novemberborn.net>
References: <448F3CAC.9030402@kaadesigngroup.com>
	<5D53CBD3-9D24-4BF1-9903-60E49E38A650@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22D75C5B-CD00-45EB-BCB0-5E9762CB7DA5@novemberborn.net>

On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:07 AM, Mark Wubben wrote:
> I'll add an option to preserve all single spaces, though.

I've added this option in r109 in the nightlies. It replaces all  
whitespace characters by a no-breaking space in the Flash text. To  
enable, set `sIFR.preserveSingleWhitespace = true;`.

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From davebytes at comcast.net  Sun Jul  2 16:51:01 2006
From: davebytes at comcast.net (David Chait)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:51:01 -0400
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] hey, had an idea for debugging...
References: <mailman.13.1151841646.37016.sifr3-dev@lists.novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <000701c69df7$b3eb19d0$6e01a8c0@sixfour>

could you maybe have a function call that returns a status/error string for 
'why sifr decided not to run'?  Wrong flash version, quicktime instead of 
flash, flash not installed, or 'ok'.  That kind of thing.

Just trying to think of more ways to help users (and developers) debug why 
Flash replacements aren't showing up.  Sometimes it's Flash missing or too 
low a version, sometimes it is an ad-blocker (which is harder to debug), 
etc.

-d 



From mark at novemberborn.net  Sun Jul  2 19:27:38 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:27:38 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] hey, had an idea for debugging...
In-Reply-To: <000701c69df7$b3eb19d0$6e01a8c0@sixfour>
References: <mailman.13.1151841646.37016.sifr3-dev@lists.novemberborn.net>
	<000701c69df7$b3eb19d0$6e01a8c0@sixfour>
Message-ID: <A990825B-6B8C-4F6B-A294-6CDBC4ADC2CF@novemberborn.net>

On Jul 2, 2006, at 9:51 AM, David Chait wrote:

> could you maybe have a function call that returns a status/error  
> string for
> 'why sifr decided not to run'?  Wrong flash version, quicktime  
> instead of
> flash, flash not installed, or 'ok'.  That kind of thing.

Nice idea, a small script which outputs which Flash/User agent tests  
passed or failed. It's on the todo list now :)

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From egor at roomplay.com  Sat Jul  8 02:43:58 2006
From: egor at roomplay.com (Egor Kouchnarev)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:43:58 +1000
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Random line-breaks
Message-ID: <0A71F65D-1A9C-4574-B5E4-4EA67CBA46D9@roomplay.com>

Hi there,

I have noticed a weird issue, where if a reasonable amount of copy is  
replaced, lines break at random. I've checked the demos in the  
Nightly builds (by making the columns wider) and the problem is there  
as well. Here's an example, where the problem is very evident in the  
red block of text towards the bottom: http://temp.egor-k.com/si/ 
index2.html

Regards,

Egor


From branstrom at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 10:32:00 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:32:00 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Random line-breaks
In-Reply-To: <0A71F65D-1A9C-4574-B5E4-4EA67CBA46D9@roomplay.com>
References: <0A71F65D-1A9C-4574-B5E4-4EA67CBA46D9@roomplay.com>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607080332w5c6497c4kb23441ea0afcca61@mail.gmail.com>

Mark. Can't we stop the mailing list from breaking lines like this? There
are broken links all over the place. Confusion!

I'm seeing your problem, Egor. Wonder why that is.

On 7/8/06, Egor Kouchnarev <egor at roomplay.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I have noticed a weird issue, where if a reasonable amount of copy is
> replaced, lines break at random. I've checked the demos in the
> Nightly builds (by making the columns wider) and the problem is there
> as well. Here's an example, where the problem is very evident in the
> red block of text towards the bottom:
> http://temp.egor-k.com/si/index2.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Egor
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>



-- 
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From davebytes at comcast.net  Sat Jul  8 15:19:27 2006
From: davebytes at comcast.net (David Chait)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:19:27 -0400
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Random line-breaks
References: <mailman.19.1152360056.12620.sifr3-dev@lists.novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c6a2a1$e7408f00$6e01a8c0@sixfour>

From: Egor Kouchnarev <egor at roomplay.com>
|
| I have noticed a weird issue, where if a reasonable amount of copy is
| replaced, lines break at random. I've checked the demos in the
| Nightly builds (by making the columns wider) and the problem is there
| as well. Here's an example, where the problem is very evident in the
| red block of text towards the bottom: http://temp.egor-k.com/si/
| index2.html

Stranger still is that your page isn't working under my IE6, while the sifr3 
demo page does (and one of my sites running sifr2 does...).  Works under FF. 
And yes, I see the odd wrapping.

Mark, if you need another pair of eyes, I'm not yet great with JS, but I'm a 
(more than) competent coder in most any language, and I've written my own 
text-rendering (and line wrapping) code under Mac, Windows, and GL/DX 
before. ;)

-d 



From mark at novemberborn.net  Sat Jul  8 15:38:04 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:38:04 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Fwd:  Random line-breaks
References: <40C4D8D6-05CC-41DB-B6C0-F804B7717CD5@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <AE69B28D-0F16-4542-8FBB-B6D863D81F2B@novemberborn.net>

Sorry, forgot to post to the list.

Begin forwarded message:
> Hi Egor,
>
> I think the problem is that sIFR tries to match the number of lines  
> it renders to the number of lines in the HTML. To accomplish this  
> it adds line breaks, which although designed to be evenly  
> distributed, aren't for this much text. I'll have to look into this  
> a bit more, but I might just let go of this rendering behaviour and  
> fall back to the default Flash wrapping.
>
> Thanks for reporting,
>
> On Jul 7, 2006, at 7:43 PM, Egor Kouchnarev wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I have noticed a weird issue, where if a reasonable amount of copy is
>> replaced, lines break at random. I've checked the demos in the
>> Nightly builds (by making the columns wider) and the problem is there
>> as well. Here's an example, where the problem is very evident in the
>> red block of text towards the bottom: http://temp.egor-k.com/si/
>> index2.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Egor
>> _______________________________________________
>> sifr3-dev mailing list
>> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
>> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From mark at novemberborn.net  Sat Jul  8 15:38:49 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:38:49 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Random line-breaks
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607080332w5c6497c4kb23441ea0afcca61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0A71F65D-1A9C-4574-B5E4-4EA67CBA46D9@roomplay.com>
	<22410ce30607080332w5c6497c4kb23441ea0afcca61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2AE294F9-F755-417E-B505-7B6842FB37BC@novemberborn.net>

On Jul 8, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:

> Mark. Can't we stop the mailing list from breaking lines like this?  
> There
> are broken links all over the place. Confusion!

Sorry for that, lets just blame it on Mailman ;-)

--
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http://novemberborn.net/





From branstrom at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 15:56:11 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:56:11 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Fwd: Random line-breaks
In-Reply-To: <AE69B28D-0F16-4542-8FBB-B6D863D81F2B@novemberborn.net>
References: <40C4D8D6-05CC-41DB-B6C0-F804B7717CD5@novemberborn.net>
	<AE69B28D-0F16-4542-8FBB-B6D863D81F2B@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607080856n268275dco620dc7be82a10f06@mail.gmail.com>

I think that would be great, it might solve some other peculiarities I think
I'm seeing too. The Flash movies are being "clipped" so that the last line
or so doesn't show. I'll try to reproduce and understand it, it just showed
up a couple of times now that I was trying stuff out.

Off topic: I added
       contentObj.content = contentObj.content.toUpperCase();
below
       var contentObj = handleContent(contentNode);
to accomodate for a font that needed to be all caps... but could it be made
into an option instead? I can't seem to accomplish it by CSS.


On 7/8/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> Sorry, forgot to post to the list.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
> > Hi Egor,
> >
> > I think the problem is that sIFR tries to match the number of lines
> > it renders to the number of lines in the HTML. To accomplish this
> > it adds line breaks, which although designed to be evenly
> > distributed, aren't for this much text. I'll have to look into this
> > a bit more, but I might just let go of this rendering behaviour and
> > fall back to the default Flash wrapping.
> >
> > Thanks for reporting,
> >
> > On Jul 7, 2006, at 7:43 PM, Egor Kouchnarev wrote:
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> I have noticed a weird issue, where if a reasonable amount of copy is
> >> replaced, lines break at random. I've checked the demos in the
> >> Nightly builds (by making the columns wider) and the problem is there
> >> as well. Here's an example, where the problem is very evident in the
> >> red block of text towards the bottom: http://temp.egor-k.com/si/
> >> index2.html
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Egor
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> sifr3-dev mailing list
> >> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> >> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> >
> > --
> > Mark Wubben
> > http://novemberborn.net/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>



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From mark at novemberborn.net  Sat Jul  8 16:34:18 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 09:34:18 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Fwd: Random line-breaks
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607080856n268275dco620dc7be82a10f06@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40C4D8D6-05CC-41DB-B6C0-F804B7717CD5@novemberborn.net>
	<AE69B28D-0F16-4542-8FBB-B6D863D81F2B@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607080856n268275dco620dc7be82a10f06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0723000D-FD7F-41D9-BAAE-E11BAF6CD810@novemberborn.net>

On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> Off topic: I added
>        contentObj.content = contentObj.content.toUpperCase();
> below
>        var contentObj = handleContent(contentNode);
> to accomodate for a font that needed to be all caps... but could it  
> be made into an option instead? I can't seem to accomplish it by CSS.

You can use the `modifyContent()` method (introduced somewhere in the  
nigthlies) to do this. Just refer to it in the arguments to the  
replacement function (`modifyContent: function(node) { ... },'). I'ts  
passed a copy of the element you are replacing, and by iterating over  
it using DOM methods, or just plain innerHTML, you can change the  
text going to the Flash.
--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From branstrom at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 16:42:08 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:42:08 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Fwd: Random line-breaks
In-Reply-To: <0723000D-FD7F-41D9-BAAE-E11BAF6CD810@novemberborn.net>
References: <40C4D8D6-05CC-41DB-B6C0-F804B7717CD5@novemberborn.net>
	<AE69B28D-0F16-4542-8FBB-B6D863D81F2B@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607080856n268275dco620dc7be82a10f06@mail.gmail.com>
	<0723000D-FD7F-41D9-BAAE-E11BAF6CD810@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607080942i6f525c42l2e25f3c8ed7b99b3@mail.gmail.com>

So... that would just be
    modifyContent: function(node) { node.innerHTML =
node.innerHTML.toUpperCase(); }
then. Great, thanks. I should have been able to figure that out by myself,
from the code where I stuck my ugly hack.

On 7/8/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> > Off topic: I added
> >        contentObj.content = contentObj.content.toUpperCase();
> > below
> >        var contentObj = handleContent(contentNode);
> > to accomodate for a font that needed to be all caps... but could it
> > be made into an option instead? I can't seem to accomplish it by CSS.
>
> You can use the `modifyContent()` method (introduced somewhere in the
> nigthlies) to do this. Just refer to it in the arguments to the
> replacement function (`modifyContent: function(node) { ... },'). I'ts
> passed a copy of the element you are replacing, and by iterating over
> it using DOM methods, or just plain innerHTML, you can change the
> text going to the Flash.
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


-- 
Fredrik Br?nstr?m
http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
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From branstrom at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 16:56:25 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:56:25 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Errors when exporting Flash
Message-ID: <22410ce30607080956x4e494091wd00435123eba13c5@mail.gmail.com>

**Error** H:\Web\fmsweden\template\new\sifr3-r114\flash\FilterMap.as: Line
2: There is no property with the name 'flash'.
       public static var map = {

Total ActionScript Errors: 1      Reported Errors: 1

I repaired my Flash installation since my last problems and everything seems
to be working well, but this error now shows up when I try to export a Flash
7 movie. The Flash 8 version doesn't generate this error.

-- 
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From branstrom at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 21:23:42 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 23:23:42 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
Message-ID: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>

http://filer.brnm.se/i/cutoff.png

Hey Mark, what's up with this? I mentioned I saw some weird behavior. It
cuts off the Flash somehow. Sometimes the width, sometimes the height.

Here's that page: http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/demo/index.html

When you load it, it might get it right and it might not. Reload a couple of
times, it's really erradic.

-- 
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From branstrom at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 21:36:15 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 23:36:15 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607081436j79d09dddv1e36a75d993043be@mail.gmail.com>

I realize it's r103, should try it with the newest nightly.

On 7/8/06, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://filer.brnm.se/i/cutoff.png
>
> Hey Mark, what's up with this? I mentioned I saw some weird behavior. It
> cuts off the Flash somehow. Sometimes the width, sometimes the height.
>
> Here's that page: http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/demo/index.html
>
> When you load it, it might get it right and it might not. Reload a couple
> of times, it's really erradic.
>
> --
> Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
>



-- 
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From branstrom at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 21:48:24 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 23:48:24 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607081436j79d09dddv1e36a75d993043be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<22410ce30607081436j79d09dddv1e36a75d993043be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607081448s5609bbf9t72f31f7870022980@mail.gmail.com>

http://filer.brnm.se/i/cutoff2.png

There it goes again.

On 7/8/06, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I realize it's r103, should try it with the newest nightly.
>
>
> On 7/8/06, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > http://filer.brnm.se/i/cutoff.png
> >
> > Hey Mark, what's up with this? I mentioned I saw some weird behavior. It
> > cuts off the Flash somehow. Sometimes the width, sometimes the height.
> >
> > Here's that page: http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/demo/index.html
> >
> > When you load it, it might get it right and it might not. Reload a
> > couple of times, it's really erradic.
> >
> > --
> > Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
>



-- 
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From mark at novemberborn.net  Sun Jul  9 05:27:25 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:27:25 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Errors when exporting Flash
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607080956x4e494091wd00435123eba13c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22410ce30607080956x4e494091wd00435123eba13c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4287675D-D25D-4650-B27F-262542980B03@novemberborn.net>

On Jul 8, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> I repaired my Flash installation since my last problems and  
> everything seems
> to be working well, but this error now shows up when I try to  
> export a Flash
> 7 movie. The Flash 8 version doesn't generate this error.

There is a line in Options.as you need to comment out when exporting  
to Flash 7, otherwise the IDE will bark about knowing the Flash 8  
filter classes. And yes, there is a dire need for documenting the  
nightlies.

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From branstrom at gmail.com  Sun Jul  9 12:23:11 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:23:11 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Errors when exporting Flash
In-Reply-To: <4287675D-D25D-4650-B27F-262542980B03@novemberborn.net>
References: <22410ce30607080956x4e494091wd00435123eba13c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4287675D-D25D-4650-B27F-262542980B03@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607090523n3b875736xd253ce66cf3ef6d9@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/9/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> And yes, there is a dire need for documenting the
> nightlies.


In response to the other thread about the weird problem where the Flash got
clipped? You know about that? Or just in general?

--
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


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From mark at novemberborn.net  Wed Jul 12 05:20:53 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:20:53 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>

On Jul 8, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> Hey Mark, what's up with this? I mentioned I saw some weird  
> behavior. It
> cuts off the Flash somehow. Sometimes the width, sometimes the height.
>
> Here's that page: http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/demo/ 
> index.html

Very strange indeed. Could you please send the page to the list (or  
me)? The server is currently down. Also, what is the exact Firefox  
and Flash version you are using?

Kind regards,

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From branstrom at gmail.com  Wed Jul 12 10:53:46 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:53:46 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607120353o631c4d2dse5cf766404adde3@mail.gmail.com>

The latest versions, running on Windows. Server should be up now.

I didn't bother supplying the v7 Flash because I was just testing, maybe
that was it. Although I don't see how it could have any effect. It was
probably something else. Or a bug in that specific nightly (r103).

I'm doing the same thing with the latest nightly now... One thing: If I want
to keep it DRY, is there anyway I can outsource a section of the options to
a variable so that I can use it in all the replacements? I tried making
another "hash" object but I didn't find a way merge it with the other ones.
There must be a magic word.

On 7/12/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 8, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> > Hey Mark, what's up with this? I mentioned I saw some weird
> > behavior. It
> > cuts off the Flash somehow. Sometimes the width, sometimes the height.
> >
> > Here's that page: http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/demo/
> > index.html
>
> Very strange indeed. Could you please send the page to the list (or
> me)? The server is currently down. Also, what is the exact Firefox
> and Flash version you are using?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


-- 
Fredrik Br?nstr?m
http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
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From mark at novemberborn.net  Thu Jul 13 04:40:16 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:40:16 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607120353o631c4d2dse5cf766404adde3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607120353o631c4d2dse5cf766404adde3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <328C0966-3AA1-4C96-A89A-4E6EA46ED631@novemberborn.net>

On Jul 12, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> The latest versions, running on Windows. Server should be up now.

I assume you are running this on your home server? Due to time  
differences and me being occupied during the day, I can only look  
into stuff like this in my evening ? or early morning in Europe.  
Could you make a zip archive and send it to the list? Or put it on  
another server?

> I didn't bother supplying the v7 Flash because I was just testing,  
> maybe that was it. Although I don't see how it could have any  
> effect. It was probably something else. Or a bug in that specific  
> nightly (r103).

Can't be the lack of Flash 7 no, that's just another file on the server.

> I'm doing the same thing with the latest nightly now... One thing:  
> If I want to keep it DRY, is there anyway I can outsource a section  
> of the options to a variable so that I can use it in all the  
> replacements? I tried making another "hash" object but I didn't  
> find a way merge it with the other ones. There must be a magic word.

JavaScript by itself doesn't really let you merge code, you need to  
write some code to do that. It might be an idea to let you provide  
two kwarg objects to `sIFR.replace()`, so you can use a general  
config object and a specific one.

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From branstrom at gmail.com  Thu Jul 13 15:56:47 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:56:47 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <328C0966-3AA1-4C96-A89A-4E6EA46ED631@novemberborn.net>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607120353o631c4d2dse5cf766404adde3@mail.gmail.com>
	<328C0966-3AA1-4C96-A89A-4E6EA46ED631@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607130856g352f3c25mdfb4e6e14cd763e2@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/13/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> > The latest versions, running on Windows. Server should be up now.
>
> I assume you are running this on your home server? Due to time
> differences and me being occupied during the day, I can only look
> into stuff like this in my evening ? or early morning in Europe.
> Could you make a zip archive and send it to the list? Or put it on
> another server?


Yah, it's running on this computer. Sorry. It will be up for a couple of
days constantly now.

> I didn't bother supplying the v7 Flash because I was just testing,
> > maybe that was it. Although I don't see how it could have any
> > effect. It was probably something else. Or a bug in that specific
> > nightly (r103).
>
> Can't be the lack of Flash 7 no, that's just another file on the server.



> > I'm doing the same thing with the latest nightly now... One thing:
> > If I want to keep it DRY, is there anyway I can outsource a section
> > of the options to a variable so that I can use it in all the
> > replacements? I tried making another "hash" object but I didn't
> > find a way merge it with the other ones. There must be a magic word.
>
> JavaScript by itself doesn't really let you merge code, you need to
> write some code to do that. It might be an idea to let you provide
> two kwarg objects to `sIFR.replace()`, so you can use a general
> config object and a specific one.


Great idea, that would make things much more flexible.


--
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


-- 
Fredrik Br?nstr?m
http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
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From mark at novemberborn.net  Fri Jul 14 06:26:30 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:26:30 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607130856g352f3c25mdfb4e6e14cd763e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607120353o631c4d2dse5cf766404adde3@mail.gmail.com>
	<328C0966-3AA1-4C96-A89A-4E6EA46ED631@novemberborn.net>
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I can't replicate this on the Mac, with Flash 9. Are you using Flash 8?

Ken, as I noticed you subscribed to the list, and posted about this  
on the forum [1], what are your system specifics? Can you replicate  
with Fredrik's testcase at <http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/ 
demo/>?

[1]: http://forum.textdrive.com/viewtopic.php?id=11102

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From branstrom at gmail.com  Fri Jul 14 12:23:38 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:23:38 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <AB99E812-8C66-444B-9A9D-03E2A0E3B2E4@novemberborn.net>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607120353o631c4d2dse5cf766404adde3@mail.gmail.com>
	<328C0966-3AA1-4C96-A89A-4E6EA46ED631@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607130856g352f3c25mdfb4e6e14cd763e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB99E812-8C66-444B-9A9D-03E2A0E3B2E4@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607140523j78ab6325tb8ad940e8d237039@mail.gmail.com>

Running Flash 8. Wouldn't you want to keep the v8 to be able to see things
in the eyes of most folks? Then again most are probably using v7...

I think it's pretty much apparent that it's the same bug we're talking
about. And it's probably because of the filters. We both have filters
applied, both use drop shadows actually. Maybe it's something to do with
changing the width or scaling or whatever you do with the JS to the Flash
movies, maybe you could somehow do that AFTER the filters have been applied?
Just guessing.

I can't actually see any sIFRed elements on fizgig's page, but I'm sure
that's because of something else.

The text gets cut off approx. 30% of the time, in my case.


On 7/14/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> I can't replicate this on the Mac, with Flash 9. Are you using Flash 8?
>
> Ken, as I noticed you subscribed to the list, and posted about this
> on the forum [1], what are your system specifics? Can you replicate
> with Fredrik's testcase at <http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/
> demo/>?
>
> [1]: http://forum.textdrive.com/viewtopic.php?id=11102
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


-- 
Fredrik Br?nstr?m
http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
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From branstrom at gmail.com  Fri Jul 14 15:05:10 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:05:10 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607140523j78ab6325tb8ad940e8d237039@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607120353o631c4d2dse5cf766404adde3@mail.gmail.com>
	<328C0966-3AA1-4C96-A89A-4E6EA46ED631@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607130856g352f3c25mdfb4e6e14cd763e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB99E812-8C66-444B-9A9D-03E2A0E3B2E4@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607140523j78ab6325tb8ad940e8d237039@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22410ce30607140805r400c2e7awe4f246d869ce5f8c@mail.gmail.com>

Annoying bug remains after upgrade to Flash 9, on Windows.

On 7/14/06, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Running Flash 8. Wouldn't you want to keep the v8 to be able to see things
> in the eyes of most folks? Then again most are probably using v7...
>
> I think it's pretty much apparent that it's the same bug we're talking
> about. And it's probably because of the filters. We both have filters
> applied, both use drop shadows actually. Maybe it's something to do with
> changing the width or scaling or whatever you do with the JS to the Flash
> movies, maybe you could somehow do that AFTER the filters have been applied?
> Just guessing.
>
> I can't actually see any sIFRed elements on fizgig's page, but I'm sure
> that's because of something else.
>
> The text gets cut off approx. 30% of the time, in my case.
>
>
>
> On 7/14/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
> >
> > I can't replicate this on the Mac, with Flash 9. Are you using Flash 8?
> >
> > Ken, as I noticed you subscribed to the list, and posted about this
> > on the forum [1], what are your system specifics? Can you replicate
> > with Fredrik's testcase at <http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/
> > demo/>?
> >
> > [1]: http://forum.textdrive.com/viewtopic.php?id=11102
> >
> > --
> > Mark Wubben
> > http://novemberborn.net/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
>



-- 
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http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
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From branstrom at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 01:48:00 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:48:00 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <0AF9CB62-1F19-47A7-B4C4-DE5EF3185203@novemberborn.net>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
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	<22410ce30607130856g352f3c25mdfb4e6e14cd763e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB99E812-8C66-444B-9A9D-03E2A0E3B2E4@novemberborn.net>
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Message-ID: <22410ce30607141848k40b435d3lc9b8772daa2322be@mail.gmail.com>

By installing different versions over and over again, or what?

On 7/14/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On my Windows test box setup it is pretty easy to change Flash
> version. Not sure about the Mac, where it is system wide. I'll see
> when I have time to checx Windows.
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>


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From mark at novemberborn.net  Sat Jul 15 06:33:27 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:33:27 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607141848k40b435d3lc9b8772daa2322be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607120353o631c4d2dse5cf766404adde3@mail.gmail.com>
	<328C0966-3AA1-4C96-A89A-4E6EA46ED631@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607130856g352f3c25mdfb4e6e14cd763e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB99E812-8C66-444B-9A9D-03E2A0E3B2E4@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607140523j78ab6325tb8ad940e8d237039@mail.gmail.com>
	<0AF9CB62-1F19-47A7-B4C4-DE5EF3185203@novemberborn.net>
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On Jul 14, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:

> By installing different versions over and over again, or what?

Actually there is an application for that. Can't remember the name,  
but I do remember it was quite hard to find. And alas, with me being  
9000 km away from my Windows box, I won't be able to point you to it.

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From mark at novemberborn.net  Mon Jul 17 01:43:44 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:43:44 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] r119
Message-ID: <1869D219-F97C-4EC0-822B-52705BE1CD30@novemberborn.net>

Hey,

I just published r119, which has the following changes from r114:

* The Flash wrapping algorithm is used instead of the custom  
algorithm. This hopefully fixes the issues with odd wrapping and cut- 
offs. Please verify.
* Added support for merging of arguments, as per Fredrik Br?nstr?m's  
suggestion. See the distributed demo.
* The Adblock CSS was broken, this should now be fixed. Additionally  
a problem where sIFR could not update the height of the Flash element  
due to Adblock elements messing with the DOM structure has been fixed.

Interestingly enough the demo page looked the same with the Flash  
algorithm as with the custom algorithm, but it just didn't hold up  
for large amounts of text and might've been causing other problems.

Please let me know how this revision is holding up. As always,  
nightlies can be found at <http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/ 
nightlies/>.

Take care,

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From egor at roomplay.com  Mon Jul 17 03:18:12 2006
From: egor at roomplay.com (Egor Kouchnarev)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:18:12 +1000
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Fwd:  r119
References: <1869D219-F97C-4EC0-822B-52705BE1CD30@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <617C1665-280C-4C42-9569-2A3BB3E9A7B2@roomplay.com>

Hi,

Wrapping issue appears to be fixed - http://temp.egor-k.com/si3/

Regards,

Egor


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net>
> Date: 17 July 2006 11:43:44 AM
> To: sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> Subject: [sIFR3-dev] r119
>
> Hey,
>
> I just published r119, which has the following changes from r114:
>
> * The Flash wrapping algorithm is used instead of the custom
> algorithm. This hopefully fixes the issues with odd wrapping and cut-
> offs. Please verify.
> * Added support for merging of arguments, as per Fredrik Br?nstr?m's
> suggestion. See the distributed demo.
> * The Adblock CSS was broken, this should now be fixed. Additionally
> a problem where sIFR could not update the height of the Flash element
> due to Adblock elements messing with the DOM structure has been fixed.
>
> Interestingly enough the demo page looked the same with the Flash
> algorithm as with the custom algorithm, but it just didn't hold up
> for large amounts of text and might've been causing other problems.
>
> Please let me know how this revision is holding up. As always,
> nightlies can be found at <http://dev.novemberborn.net/sifr3/
> nightlies/>.
>
> Take care,
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
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From ken.dunnington at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 18:08:03 2006
From: ken.dunnington at gmail.com (Ken Dunnington)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:08:03 -0400
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <AB99E812-8C66-444B-9A9D-03E2A0E3B2E4@novemberborn.net>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<DACBF4AC-DA0F-4082-B028-5D8ECF776D4F@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607120353o631c4d2dse5cf766404adde3@mail.gmail.com>
	<328C0966-3AA1-4C96-A89A-4E6EA46ED631@novemberborn.net>
	<22410ce30607130856g352f3c25mdfb4e6e14cd763e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB99E812-8C66-444B-9A9D-03E2A0E3B2E4@novemberborn.net>
Message-ID: <63265e4d0607171108s3e509c79jb426611bb42d407d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

Here is a link to my current testcase:
http://dev.aspen7.mindseye.com/flashExample/cutoff.html
I can replicate the problem in FF/Win by reloading a few times. I cannot get
the text to display in FF/Mac nor even render in Safari. I've tried using
version 3 (r119) without much luck so I'm using a slightly modified version
2.0.2 (all I did was add a drop shadow to the text in the textfield when
exporting my SWF.) I almost hate to say this, but IE/Win is the only one
rendering it properly (including line heights, though that's only a minor
issue which I know can be fixed with the right CSS.)

Specs are:
FF 1.5, Flash 9 (9.0 r16) - randomly cuts off text on right side
IE 6, Flash 9 (9.0.16) - can't replicate problem
FF 1.5 Mac, Flash 8 (8.0 r27) - renders, but does not display text
Safari 2 Mac, Flash 8 (8.0 r27) - doesn't render text, no Javascript errors
reported

On the Mac side, I'm using the Universal Binary Flash 8, which is not final,
so I'm willing to discount these browsers for the time being, though Flash 8
is my target (and I haven't had any other problems with Flash content.)

On 7/14/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> I can't replicate this on the Mac, with Flash 9. Are you using Flash 8?
>
> Ken, as I noticed you subscribed to the list, and posted about this
> on the forum [1], what are your system specifics? Can you replicate
> with Fredrik's testcase at <http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/
> demo/>?
>
> [1]: http://forum.textdrive.com/viewtopic.php?id=11102
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>



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From mark at novemberborn.net  Tue Jul 18 06:18:54 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:18:54 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <63265e4d0607171108s3e509c79jb426611bb42d407d@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Ken,

Looking at your code it would seem that sIFR is only set up /  
activated after the document has loaded. However, for sIFR to work  
correctly it needs to detect a page load, which means the set up  
needs to happen before the page is loaded (in the head element). My  
apologies if this wasn't clear in my explanation earlier through the  
Dojo list.

Please let me know if that solves your issues, or at least part of it,

On Jul 17, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Ken Dunnington wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Here is a link to my current testcase: http:// 
> dev.aspen7.mindseye.com/flashExample/cutoff.html
> I can replicate the problem in FF/Win by reloading a few times. I  
> cannot get the text to display in FF/Mac nor even render in Safari.  
> I've tried using version 3 (r119) without much luck so I'm using a  
> slightly modified version 2.0.2 (all I did was add a drop shadow to  
> the text in the textfield when exporting my SWF.) I almost hate to  
> say this, but IE/Win is the only one rendering it properly  
> (including line heights, though that's only a minor issue which I  
> know can be fixed with the right CSS.)
>
> Specs are:
> FF 1.5, Flash 9 (9.0 r16) - randomly cuts off text on right side
> IE 6, Flash 9 (9.0.16) - can't replicate problem
> FF 1.5 Mac, Flash 8 (8.0 r27) - renders, but does not display text
> Safari 2 Mac, Flash 8 ( 8.0 r27) - doesn't render text, no  
> Javascript errors reported
>
> On the Mac side, I'm using the Universal Binary Flash 8, which is  
> not final, so I'm willing to discount these browsers for the time  
> being, though Flash 8 is my target (and I haven't had any other  
> problems with Flash content.)
>
> On 7/14/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote: I can't  
> replicate this on the Mac, with Flash 9. Are you using Flash 8?
>
> Ken, as I noticed you subscribed to the list, and posted about this
> on the forum [1], what are your system specifics? Can you replicate
> with Fredrik's testcase at <http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/
> demo/>?
>
> [1]: http://forum.textdrive.com/viewtopic.php?id=11102
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sifr3-dev mailing list
> sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>
>
>
> -- 
> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
> - Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From ken.dunnington at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 19:52:19 2006
From: ken.dunnington at gmail.com (Ken Dunnington)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:52:19 -0400
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <B0AD6AFF-065D-4AAB-9D97-4820EB3248C9@novemberborn.net>
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Thanks Mark, that did indeed help! I've got it working in FF/Win, IE/Win and
Safari now. I've encapsulated all the sIFR setup code in a function which
gets called at the end of the head section. I've also turned on bAutoInit.
The "cutoff" issue seems to have been solved by making sure bAutoInit is
true. I can reliably duplicate the problem by setting it to false. Setting
this to false will also cause Safari to never render the text, though this
could be a problem with dojo's addOnLoad method? Is using sIFR.setup() in
the head, and then calling sIFR(); later on proper use?

I can't for the life of me figure out why FF/Mac is not displaying the SWF
text though. It's there in the DOM tree, and in fact if I remove the wMode
parameter it will appear temporarily if selected, but it disappears shortly
afterwards. This might be related to the slide show swapping images from
z-index 1 to 2, but the spans which contain the SWF object are all set to
z-index 3, and are working in the other browsers. Is there some peculiarity
with FF/Mac I've forgotten about?

I also upgraded to Flash 9 (beta Universal Binary) on the Mac which I think
was part of Safari's problem.

Thanks for all your help,
 - Ken

On 7/18/06, Mark Wubben < mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Looking at your code it would seem that sIFR is only set up /
> activated after the document has loaded. However, for sIFR to work
> correctly it needs to detect a page load, which means the set up
> needs to happen before the page is loaded (in the head element). My
> apologies if this wasn't clear in my explanation earlier through the
> Dojo list.
>
> Please let me know if that solves your issues, or at least part of it,
>
> On Jul 17, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Ken Dunnington wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Here is a link to my current testcase: http://
> > dev.aspen7.mindseye.com/flashExample/cutoff.html
> > I can replicate the problem in FF/Win by reloading a few times. I
> > cannot get the text to display in FF/Mac nor even render in Safari.
> > I've tried using version 3 (r119) without much luck so I'm using a
> > slightly modified version 2.0.2 (all I did was add a drop shadow to
> > the text in the textfield when exporting my SWF.) I almost hate to
> > say this, but IE/Win is the only one rendering it properly
> > (including line heights, though that's only a minor issue which I
> > know can be fixed with the right CSS.)
> >
> > Specs are:
> > FF 1.5, Flash 9 (9.0 r16) - randomly cuts off text on right side
> > IE 6, Flash 9 (9.0.16) - can't replicate problem
> > FF 1.5 Mac, Flash 8 (8.0 r27) - renders, but does not display text
> > Safari 2 Mac, Flash 8 ( 8.0 r27) - doesn't render text, no
> > Javascript errors reported
> >
> > On the Mac side, I'm using the Universal Binary Flash 8, which is
> > not final, so I'm willing to discount these browsers for the time
> > being, though Flash 8 is my target (and I haven't had any other
> > problems with Flash content.)
> >
> > On 7/14/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote: I can't
> > replicate this on the Mac, with Flash 9. Are you using Flash 8?
> >
> > Ken, as I noticed you subscribed to the list, and posted about this
> > on the forum [1], what are your system specifics? Can you replicate
> > with Fredrik's testcase at <http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/
> > demo/>?
> >
> > [1]: http://forum.textdrive.com/viewtopic.php?id=11102
> >
> > --
> > Mark Wubben
> > http://novemberborn.net/
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
> > - Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


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From branstrom at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 00:06:40 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:06:40 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Scandinavian characters
Message-ID: <22410ce30607191706nb573756ie966f290a70f51e9@mail.gmail.com>

http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/demo/fms.html

Can't get the ?, ? and ? characters to display, doesn't matter what glyphs I
include. Why? They're included in the font.

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From mark at novemberborn.net  Thu Jul 20 05:26:51 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:26:51 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On Jul 18, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Ken Dunnington wrote:
> The "cutoff" issue seems to have been solved by making sure  
> bAutoInit is
> true. I can reliably duplicate the problem by setting it to false.

Interesting, that's something to look into.

> Setting this to false will also cause Safari to never render the  
> text, though this
> could be a problem with dojo's addOnLoad method?

Perhaps, Safari needs an onload event, which isn't there without auto  
init. Could also be an oversight on my part, but right now I'm too  
tired to think about this.

> Is using sIFR.setup() in the head, and then calling sIFR(); later  
> on proper use?

Yes.

> I can't for the life of me figure out why FF/Mac is not displaying  
> the SWF
> text though. It's there in the DOM tree, and in fact if I remove  
> the wMode
> parameter it will appear temporarily if selected, but it disappears  
> shortly
> afterwards. This might be related to the slide show swapping images  
> from
> z-index 1 to 2, but the spans which contain the SWF object are all  
> set to
> z-index 3, and are working in the other browsers. Is there some  
> peculiarity
> with FF/Mac I've forgotten about?

It's very odd. When I remove the DIV they still don't show. Perhaps  
you could try to make them show up without the Dojo animation first?  
I'm on a PowerPC Mac btw, so it's not related to the chipset.

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From ken.dunnington at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 20:23:11 2006
From: ken.dunnington at gmail.com (Ken Dunnington)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:23:11 -0400
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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I just saw this post on the TextDrive forum:
"Mac Firefox hides sIFR text after it renders"
http://forum.textdrive.com/viewtopic.php?id=11062

I can verify that this was my FF/Mac problem. The elements underneath the
sIFR text were, even in their static state, set to opacity of 0.99999.
Turning off the slideshow, as you suggest, made the text visible. I will put
in a check for FF/Mac and display my fallback text. I haven't done a simpler
test (i.e. div with opacity set with sIFR text on top) yet, but it seems
very likely that this is a bug in Firefox on the Mac.

I am now having problems with the drop shadows not showing consistently, of
course, but I'll figure that out later. :) Thanks for all your help, Mark!

On 7/20/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Ken Dunnington wrote:
> > The "cutoff" issue seems to have been solved by making sure
> > bAutoInit is
> > true. I can reliably duplicate the problem by setting it to false.
>
> Interesting, that's something to look into.
>
> > Setting this to false will also cause Safari to never render the
> > text, though this
> > could be a problem with dojo's addOnLoad method?
>
> Perhaps, Safari needs an onload event, which isn't there without auto
> init. Could also be an oversight on my part, but right now I'm too
> tired to think about this.
>
> > Is using sIFR.setup() in the head, and then calling sIFR(); later
> > on proper use?
>
> Yes.
>
> > I can't for the life of me figure out why FF/Mac is not displaying
> > the SWF
> > text though. It's there in the DOM tree, and in fact if I remove
> > the wMode
> > parameter it will appear temporarily if selected, but it disappears
> > shortly
> > afterwards. This might be related to the slide show swapping images
> > from
> > z-index 1 to 2, but the spans which contain the SWF object are all
> > set to
> > z-index 3, and are working in the other browsers. Is there some
> > peculiarity
> > with FF/Mac I've forgotten about?
>
> It's very odd. When I remove the DIV they still don't show. Perhaps
> you could try to make them show up without the Dojo animation first?
> I'm on a PowerPC Mac btw, so it's not related to the chipset.
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


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From branstrom at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 21:31:15 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:31:15 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On 7/20/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Ken Dunnington wrote:
> > The "cutoff" issue seems to have been solved by making sure
> > bAutoInit is
> > true. I can reliably duplicate the problem by setting it to false.
>
> Interesting, that's something to look into.


Over here, that's not working. bAutoInit changes nothing.

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From mark at novemberborn.net  Thu Jul 20 21:39:01 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:39:01 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On Jul 20, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> Over here, that's not working. bAutoInit changes nothing.

Actually Ken was talking about sIFR 2.0, sIFR 3 uses  
"sIFR.registerEvents = false". Could you check if that helps?

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From branstrom at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 00:51:01 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:51:01 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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Oh, sorry. That doesn't do it, though... still happens every third time or
so. Almost always happens when I focus the location bar and press enter, as
opposed to clicking reload (in Firefox/Win).

The cut-off bug is present in all browsers.

Mark, are you getting into the rewrapping soon? It's needed. Although, I
suppose bugs like these need to be ironed out first.

On 7/20/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 20, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> > Over here, that's not working. bAutoInit changes nothing.
>
> Actually Ken was talking about sIFR 2.0, sIFR 3 uses
> "sIFR.registerEvents = false". Could you check if that helps?
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


-- 
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From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:15:38 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On Jul 20, 2006, at 5:51 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> Mark, are you getting into the rewrapping soon? It's needed.  
> Although, I suppose bugs like these need to be ironed out first.

Do you mean resizing the text?

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From branstrom at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 01:16:42 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:16:42 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <17D5F95D-D2C0-49D7-B69F-B6EC94400A2C@novemberborn.net>
References: <22410ce30607081423p56360c5avbe0bbf20d05c24b3@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, watching for resizing and resizing the Flash which would then also
rewrap the text.

On 7/21/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 20, 2006, at 5:51 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> > Mark, are you getting into the rewrapping soon? It's needed.
> > Although, I suppose bugs like these need to be ironed out first.
>
> Do you mean resizing the text?
>
> --
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


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From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:21:17 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:

> Yes, watching for resizing and resizing the Flash which would then  
> also
> rewrap the text.

Well, I'm busy during the week, so that would be when I have time in  
the weekend. No idea how that'll work, though :)

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From branstrom at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 01:32:13 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:32:13 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On 7/21/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
>
> > Yes, watching for resizing and resizing the Flash which would then
> > also
> > rewrap the text.
>
> Well, I'm busy during the week, so that would be when I have time in
> the weekend. No idea how that'll work, though :)


This weekend, that is? Great. Well... for one, I would like to easily be
able to add multiple resize events, so you could use a method similar to,
for example, the one used for multiple onloads in
http://www.cherny.com/webdev/26/domloaded-object-literal-updated - it would
be a small separate JS file, that I could include globally. Wouldn't that be
smart?

Anyway... You know there IS a way to resize the Flash elements, though,
right? Have you looked into that?


--
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> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


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From mark at novemberborn.net  Fri Jul 21 01:48:06 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:48:06 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> This weekend, that is?

Uhm, no. I was talking about weekends in general ;-)

> Great. Well... for one, I would like to easily be able to add  
> multiple resize events,

What would be the use of that?

>
> Anyway... You know there IS a way to resize the Flash elements,  
> though,
> right? Have you looked into that?

That is what Opera does when zooming pages, upon which sIFR scales  
the text. I'm not sure if font resizing is 1:1 both vertically and  
horizontally, so I'm not sure that could be used.
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From mark at novemberborn.net  Fri Jul 21 06:06:49 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:06:49 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
In-Reply-To: <63265e4d0607201323n5cea56aepbac7547cb1334c2c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jul 20, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Ken Dunnington wrote:
> I can verify that this was my FF/Mac problem. The elements  
> underneath the
> sIFR text were, even in their static state, set to opacity of 0.99999.
> Turning off the slideshow, as you suggest, made the text visible. I  
> will put
> in a check for FF/Mac and display my fallback text. I haven't done  
> a simpler
> test (i.e. div with opacity set with sIFR text on top) yet, but it  
> seems
> very likely that this is a bug in Firefox on the Mac.

Aha! I'll see if/when I can make a test case and submit it to their  
Bugtracker, thanks.

--
Mark Wubben
http://novemberborn.net/





From mark at novemberborn.net  Fri Jul 21 06:27:01 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:27:01 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Scandinavian characters
In-Reply-To: <22410ce30607191706nb573756ie966f290a70f51e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22410ce30607191706nb573756ie966f290a70f51e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D35921B-479E-425A-80CA-66CEDC1B6F9E@novemberborn.net>

What font is this? I'll try exporting it here and see if it works.

Take care,

On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:06 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:

> http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/demo/fms.html
>
> Can't get the ?, ? and ? characters to display, doesn't matter what  
> glyphs I
> include. Why? They're included in the font.
>
> -- 
> Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
> _______________________________________________
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From branstrom at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 12:14:31 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:14:31 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On 7/21/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 20, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> > This weekend, that is?
>
> Uhm, no. I was talking about weekends in general ;-)


Oh. Well... This one, please? :-o I could definately help with testing and
so on... But you're the one and only, divine developer - do as you please.


> Great. Well... for one, I would like to easily be able to add
> > multiple resize events,
>
> What would be the use of that?


I mean "reactions" to the resize event of course, not additional events...
What's the word I should be using?

For example, I'm working on a small thing that senses a resize and removes
abundant columns, to avoid the horizontal scrollbar. (It'll just show an
arrow to the right, or something, to have the content available still.) I'd
need the resize event to handle it, and if I would use sIFR at the same
time, it would overwrite the previous handler for the event. Unless, of
course... you could preserve the old event handler, just append the new
stuff to it by wrapping it all in an anonymous function. I think I've seen
that somewhere. Er, in fact, that's how you do the onload handling in
sifr.js... Sorry. I'm slow sometimes.


>
> > Anyway... You know there IS a way to resize the Flash elements,
> > though,
> > right? Have you looked into that?
>
> That is what Opera does when zooming pages, upon which sIFR scales
> the text. I'm not sure if font resizing is 1:1 both vertically and
> horizontally, so I'm not sure that could be used.


You can set the dimensions of the Flash in Firebug for example, by editing
the HTML or setting $$(".sIFR-flash")[0].width in the console. So I guess
there's probably a way to make this work, if you can get the Flash to detect
the changes. Maybe just send a refresh command to it or something... How
would you do that? With FSCommand? Or is that deprecated?

--
> Mark Wubben
> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


-- 
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From mark at novemberborn.net  Sat Jul 22 05:02:39 2006
From: mark at novemberborn.net (Mark Wubben)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:02:39 -0700
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On Jul 21, 2006, at 5:14 AM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> You can set the dimensions of the Flash in Firebug for example, by  
> editing the HTML or setting $$(".sIFR-flash")[0].width in the  
> console. So I guess there's probably a way to make this work, if  
> you can get the Flash to detect the changes. Maybe just send a  
> refresh command to it or something... How would you do that? With  
> FSCommand? Or is that deprecated?

There are a few hacks out there to get Flash to react to something.  
In fact I implemented one of them for work about a month ago, so I  
have a good idea of how to do it. As far as I know FSCommand isn't  
deprecated. In fact, it turns out to be way faster [1] than the new  
(as of Flash 8) ExternalInterface API. Good stuff.

[1]: http://tom-lee.blogspot.com/2006/06/externalinterface-slower- 
than-geturl.html

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From branstrom at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 10:56:11 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:56:11 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Small mystery bug
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On 7/22/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 21, 2006, at 5:14 AM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> > You can set the dimensions of the Flash in Firebug for example, by
> > editing the HTML or setting $$(".sIFR-flash")[0].width in the
> > console. So I guess there's probably a way to make this work, if
> > you can get the Flash to detect the changes. Maybe just send a
> > refresh command to it or something... How would you do that? With
> > FSCommand? Or is that deprecated?
>
> There are a few hacks out there to get Flash to react to something.
> In fact I implemented one of them for work about a month ago, so I
> have a good idea of how to do it. As far as I know FSCommand isn't
> deprecated. In fact, it turns out to be way faster [1] than the new
> (as of Flash 8) ExternalInterface API. Good stuff.
>
> [1]: http://tom-lee.blogspot.com/2006/06/externalinterface-slower-
> than-geturl.html


It seems getURL is buggy [1] in IE. So, using FSCommand in IE and getURL in
everything else looks like a good idea.

FSCommand has the additional advantage (over actually working correctly) of
not making a clicking sound in IE/Win. :p

[1]:
http://tom-lee.blogspot.com/2006/06/externalinterface-slower-than-geturl.html#115162583840495862

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> http://novemberborn.net/
>
>
>
>


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From branstrom at gmail.com  Sun Jul 23 11:53:24 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:53:24 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Scandinavian characters
In-Reply-To: <0D35921B-479E-425A-80CA-66CEDC1B6F9E@novemberborn.net>
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Actually, it doesn't work with any font. Weird. At least I tried it with
Rockwell and that didn't work. Should try it with a bunch of other ones as
well...

On 7/21/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> What font is this? I'll try exporting it here and see if it works.
>
> Take care,
>
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:06 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
>
> > http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/demo/fms.html
> >
> > Can't get the ?, ? and ? characters to display, doesn't matter what
> > glyphs I
> > include. Why? They're included in the font.
> >
> > --
> > Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
> > _______________________________________________
> > sifr3-dev mailing list
> > sifr3-dev at lists.novemberborn.net
> > http://lists.novemberborn.net/mailman/listinfo/sifr3-dev
>
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From branstrom at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 00:07:02 2006
From: branstrom at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Br=E4nstr=F6m?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:07:02 +0200
Subject: [sIFR3-dev] Scandinavian characters
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Never mind.

Just had to include the uppercase versions of the characters in question, I
was using modifyContent to display everything in caps, since this particular
font only has some of the lowercase letters. Of course, Rockwell hadn't been
exported with swedish characters at all. I don't know why I'm so thick
sometimes...

On 7/23/06, Fredrik Br?nstr?m <branstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, it doesn't work with any font. Weird. At least I tried it with
> Rockwell and that didn't work. Should try it with a bunch of other ones as
> well...
>
> On 7/21/06, Mark Wubben <mark at novemberborn.net> wrote:
>
> > What font is this? I'll try exporting it here and see if it works.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:06 PM, Fredrik Br?nstr?m wrote:
> >
> > > http://branstrom.nu:81/new/sifr3-r103/demo/fms.html
> > >
> > > Can't get the ?, ? and ? characters to display, doesn't matter what
> > > glyphs I
> > > include. Why? They're included in the font.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fredrik Br?nstr?m
> > > http://fredrik.branstrom.nu
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> > Mark Wubben
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